Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome.

I am Karen Hunter and today I'm going to highlight the Wilmington Massacre.

They called it an insurrection, but it really wasn't.

It was once again,

black people and others actually coming together to build community and to create a power

base for themselves. They did an amazing job there. And once again, people don't like it when

folk come together and actually build something. So in 1898, it started on November 10th and then spilled over into November 11th.

Wilmington, North Carolina was under siege by people outside.

And they called it a coup because elected, democratically elected officials got overthrown.

I met this guy named David Zakino.

He wrote a book because he too just discovered and found out being an American citizen all of these years that there was a whole

ass insurrection in 1898 and it sent him down the rabbit hole and he wrote a whole book about it.

So up next is my discussion with David Zakino on the Wilmington Massacre or coup d'etat of 1898. Stay tuned. I hope you enjoy. And I love talking to people who have studied some things. He's the author of Wilmington's Lie. It's a book. We've talked about Wilmington insurrection. It might be interesting. I wonder if this is what this is about. He brings all of this to the table.

Let me welcome. David Zuchino. Hi. Good to be here. Good to see you. I've actually studied Wilmington a lot because during the actual January 6th insurrection, it was like, oh, when does this happen before?

Tell us how you were introduced. I went to high school and college in North Carolina, and I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't

know anything about it.

It wasn't taught in college or high school, and I didn't know about it until 1998 when they

had the centennial observation in Wilmington.

I started reading about it in newspaper accounts, and I was just astonished

that I could be so ignorant about such an important event in our history.

And secondly, I was appalled that something like that could happen in the United States

of America.

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