Welcome to the Waves. This is our Golden Bachelor podcast, episode five, hedging our love

declarations. Every week we're talking about the latest episode of the newest installment

of the Bachelor franchise and 72-year-old Gary's Quest for Love. I'm Shayna Roth, senior producer

at Slate. And I'm Laura Stassi, host of the podcast, Dating Wall Gray. Laura, I am so happy

to be back with you. We are down to the final six already and after a couple weeks of some

really kind of unnecessary fighting among the women. I just want to start by saying I loved

opening the episode with four women in the pool dancing and singing. Yes, that was beautiful.

I mean, it's like, it's almost like, I don't know, ding dong, the witch is dead. The negative

energy is left. Yeah, I mean, it does seem like Kathy may have been that sort of negative

orb circling around the house as much as I really enjoyed Kathy's snark and wit. She

did seem to be a bit of a slightly maybe toxic presence, although as she said in her words,

I'm not a villain. That being said, if you have to say it, yeah. Right.

Now, before we dig into this episode, episode five, I wanted to talk to you about a great

profile that came out in Vulture this week. It's by Molly Fitzpatrick titled His Rose

is Timeless and Molly spent some time with Gary and gave us some insight into his personality.

And honestly, I have to say that Gary to me had been, you know, a little vanilla, a little

kind of nice guy. Great. I get why they chose him. He's very, you know, he's very non-controversial,

but this article actually made me respect and like Gary Moore. What did you think of it?

Okay. You're asking me this on the wrong day, Shayna. Oh, no. Oh, because are you

mad at Gary? I'm so disappointed in Gary. As a as a dating wall great journalist, I'm

very disappointed in Gary. And I should have read this profile before I watch the episode.

And I know I just need to get over it. We still have some more episodes to get through.

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