Hello and welcome to the Waves. Slates podcast about gender, feminism and being not mad

just disappointed. Every episode you get a new pair of feminists to talk about the thing

we can't get off our minds. And today you've got me, Christina Katerucci. I'm a senior

writer at Slate and host of the Slate podcast outward. And me, Laura Miller, I'm the Books

and Culture columnist for Slate. This week, Lauren I are talking about Liz Cheney,

the Republican Congresswoman from Wyoming. If you've been watching the congressional hearings

about the January 6th attack on the Capitol, you've been seeing a lot of Cheney. She's the

Vice Chair of that committee and one of only two Republicans there. So, Jamie has been

at the head of this investigation that's revealing how Donald Trump tried his very best

to overturn the results of the 2020 election and hold on to presidential power. And because

Liz Cheney voted to impeach Trump after the January 6th attack, Trump has endorsed her

primary opponent, another Republican who's currently leading by about 22 points in the

polls. So, Cheney is almost certainly going to lose her job in a few months. This is

why I'm excited to talk about her today because it's thrilling in a way to watch what she's

been doing because it's just so rare to see somebody do that. Mostly when we see people

in politics, you know, they are often swayed by big donors, by lobbyists, by their parties,

very often and less often, they can be moved by the feelings and opinions of their constituents.

But what it seems like we're watching when we watch Cheney is somebody who may very well

be throwing away their career in elected office to do what she believes is right. Her motivation

seems to be almost entirely internal. I'll be interested to hear what you think, Laura,

whether that's a fair interpretation of what's going on. But you wrote a great piece in

sleep about Cheney's role on the January 6th committee. Why did you want to talk about

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