The Waves: Female CEOs Can’t Save Us
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🗓️ 8 October 2023
⏱️ 32 minutes
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Summary
On this week’s episode of The Waves, Slate Senior Supervising Producer of Audio, Daisy Rosario can’t get toxic female bosses out of her head. She’s joined by Noelle Crooks, author of the new book, Under the Influence and former employee of one Rachel Hollis, so she knows a lot about bad workplaces. They discuss the insidious nature of saying your workplace is “like a family,” why an office dance party is a BAD thing, and how some powerful women leverage their minority status for ill.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Wave's Slates podcast about gender, feminism, and today, what it's like |
| 0:11.3 | when your toxic boss is a woman. |
| 0:14.1 | Every episode you get a new pair of women to talk about the thing that we cannot get off |
| 0:17.0 | of our minds, and today you've got me, Daisy Rosario, senior supervising producer of |
| 0:20.9 | audio here at Slate, and today I'll be talking to Noel Crooks, author of the new novel |
| 0:25.6 | Under the Influence. |
| 0:30.6 | Now I don't know about you, but I have worked at more than one toxic workplace. |
| 0:34.8 | They tend to have a lot in common, so as I get older and more experienced, I've gotten |
| 0:38.8 | better at both recognising the signs and asking questions that help me see any hidden red flags |
| 0:44.0 | before getting pulled in. |
| 0:48.0 | But one thing that has thrown a wrench into these situations, especially over the last |
| 0:51.7 | 10 years, is when the toxic workplaces are led by women. |
| 0:56.0 | Yes, I am talking about the hashtag Girl Boss Era, and the way that some of the very |
| 1:00.6 | women pushing the concept were later shown to be toxic bosses themselves. |
| 1:05.4 | Think Sophia M.O. Russo, founder of the website NastyGal, she took what started as an e-bay |
| 1:10.6 | store and turned it into a hugely popular online store. |
| 1:14.0 | She literally wrote a book called Hashtag Girl Boss, then Netflix made a show based on |
| 1:19.6 | it. |
| 1:22.6 | So what exactly is your business? |
| 1:25.6 | You know how people flip houses? |
| 1:28.6 | Well, I flip close. |
| 1:33.6 | Boom! |
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