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Welcome to the waves. Slates podcast about gender, feminism, and never saying, who's there?

Every episode you get a new pair of women to talk about the thing we can't get off our minds.

And today you've got me, Shayna Roth, producer of the waves and other shows for slate.

And me, a like, Frank, senior editor, firstly. And this is our very special Halloween episode.

And to commemorate the best holiday of the year, no, I will not be taking questions

or hearing comments on that, we are going to be talking about horror movies today.

This is something that I was very excited to talk about because ever since I had a kid

about a year and a half ago, my relationship with horror movies has dramatically changed.

I mean, I used to just watch horror movies and slasher movies, Halloween, the screen franchise,

the conjuring front, like all of these movies were just aesthetically, especially around this time

of year and especially slasher movies. I just, I loved these movies. I thought they were so fun.

But last year when I sat down for my yearly ritual of watching Halloween, I, I could not get through it.

Suddenly, I was very concerned for all the people being murdered and it all felt senseless.

And I got all kinds of existential about it, which is not what you want when you're, you know,

just trying to watch a movie. And more than anything, I got to really thinking about what these

movies do for women and what they say about women and why the hell I as a woman would want to

watch other women scream and suffer for 90 minutes. Because when it comes to horror movies, women

are either victims or mothers. And I have been wrestling with whether there's a place for feminists

and feminism and horror movies, again, especially slasher movies for a while now. So I did what I

always do with these existential feminist questions as a producer of a feminist podcast. I asked my

over queens, Jude and Susan to do an episode on this and Allegra, you were game to come on this

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