This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves.

Welcome to the waves. Slates podcast about gender, feminism, and really just never being able to

stop talking about the 90s. Every episode you get a new pair of women to talk about the thing.

We can't get off our minds and today you've got me, Shayna Roth, podcast producer at Slate,

including for the waves. And you've got me, Alicia Montgomery, executive producer of Slate podcasts.

Now, when I found out that Ryan Murphy, he of the Gaudi Campy,

salacious American horror story, but also the poignant people versus OJ Simpson was going to make a

series on the Clinton impeachment, I think my first thought was, oooh, that's juicy.

And because for better or worse, the story of a White House intern,

turned presidential mistress, turned media pariah is probably one that our nation has never been

able to let go. I know I've really never been able to let this go. This is something that

it will come up either because a book came out or a podcast or something and I will just have to

hear the same story over and over again. And it's one of those things where if you love gossip

and listening in on other people's drama, this is a story that you always just want more of.

So I guess it makes sense that we're getting yet another retelling of the Clinton Lewinsky scandal.

Though personally, I think that Slate's own season two of slow burn really said all that needed

to be said on the story. But while American crime story impeachment claims to be a sort of

feminist retelling of the story, a way to sort of take back the monical Lewinsky narrative,

I mean, she did after I'll get input in I think pretty much every scene. I was left feeling

underwhelmed and left with a lot more questions than answers about what the show was trying to say

and what it was trying to add to this tale that has been uttered a zillion times.

Alicia, why did you want to talk about this? I wanted to talk about it because for me and for

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