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You're listening to BBC sounds. Hello and welcome to Scrum Five the Warm Up. We have the small matter of a

whale squad to discuss this week. Alex Cuthbert and Ellis Jenkins are back to boast about what they got right when discussing selection last week

and maybe try and justify what they got wrong.

I'm the sheriff of Kamar then, Ken Owens joins us after making his debut in the first few weeks.

Ken, how's it going? As busy now as you were when you were playing?

Busier probably in some ways, which is good, but no, a better better work life balance if you want to call it that so

driving the boys around yeah renovating but you hear then everywhere yeah which is

nice if you were listening to the pod on Monday you would have heard Alex

Cuthbert getting called out for being in Rob Howley for Shozier on

from five on Friday night the cameras pant you we saw well the pair rolls are working in the

media now the cameras are always on you but then you got to quiz

Scotland himself on Monday.

Still no joy?

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