And the I'm going to So welcome back Rebecca to the show. Happy to have you on today to talk about the new

podcast, the new season of this land. I had the opportunity to listen to or to preview three episodes which is very good.

I also wrote a piece in The Guardian reflecting on what I've learned but also adding my own kind of perspective on the work that you've been doing.

But before we get started, this is the second time we're recording because we messed up the first

time.

So I'm going to have to have you talk about things that you've already explained to me, but we were just

catching up about the last season of this lands podcast and the McGirt Decision.

And I'll post a link to the previous podcast episodes

in the show notes if you want to take a listen.

We did two episodes with you, one talking about the podcast, the first season of the podcast podcast but then also a follow-up after the McGirt decision came down

But as we know as you and I were talking earlier, you know the Washington Post and the New York Times, the failing New York Times, as Trump likes to say,

came out with some news stories and the McGirt decision that weren't helpful and it, you know, it's worth noting that the New York Times

won the Native American Journalism Association's bingo card for having a plethora of

stereotypes splashing on their pages.

But if you want to give us a breakdown of what has happened in Oklahoma,

it's been a year, you were talking about some court cases

that were going through and, you know,

if you want to just give us an update.

Yeah absolutely and so um the McGirt decision came about because a defendant

Mr. Jim see McGirtz had been convicted by the state of Oklahoma, and he appealed

his conviction and said, Oklahoma didn't have jurisdiction to prosecute me because my crime

happened on a reservation, namely the reservation of Muskogee Nation, and in July of

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