Well, hello, everyone. I'm James Dobson, and you're listening to Family Talk, a listener-supported

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Well, welcome back to Family Talk. I'm Roger Marsh, and as we look around the world today,

we see that men are struggling more in today's culture than ever before. They are definitely

under attack. And on today's program, we're going to hear the conclusion of a powerful

conversation that will help us to take a look at what men have been up against and what

God's design for masculinity truly is. Joining us again on the program is our co-host Gary

Bauer and his special guest, Dr. Owen Strand. Dr. Owen Strand is provost and research

professor of theology at Grace Bible Theological Seminary. He's also a senior fellow with the

Family Research Council as well. Dr. Strand earned his PhD from Trinity Evangelical Divinity

School, and is the author of several books. He may recall a couple years ago. He joined

Dr. Dobson for a conversation on his book, Christianity and Wokeness. While his newly

release book is entitled The War on Men, Why Society Hades Them, and Why We Need Them.

Dr. Strand and his wife Bethany have three children there, raising together. What a blessing

that is for both of them. Our co-host Gary Bauer is the senior vice president of public

policy here at the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute. He's also the host of the Defending

Faith Family and Freedom Podcast here at the JDFI. So without further ado, let's join

co-host Gary Bauer and his guest Dr. Owen Strand right here, right now, on Family Talk.

You mentioned in the book, and I've heard you talk about it in some of the interviews.

One of these horrible shootings, I believe it was the one in Texas, where we saw two examples

of manhood, one, unfortunately, among the law enforcement officers that were called to

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