And the Hey everyone. It's Andrew Clavin with this week's interview with Andre Archie.

He's an associate professor of ancient Greek philosophy at Colorado State University, but we're not going to be talking to him too much about Greek philosophy.

We're talking to him about his new book, The Virtue of Color Blindness.

This is really an interesting subject to me because until

recently the goal of a color blind society was a goal shared at least in lip

service by just about everyone who called himself an American slowly at first and then very suddenly all that changed now anyone who isn't willing to condemn himself for his whiteness and hire someone else for his blackness is deemed a bigot, which is to say that racism has become anti-racism and non-racism has become racism.

So Andre Archie seems to me to be taking an axe to that point of view which I think is none too soon in his

new book the virtue of color blindness Andre thank you so much for coming on.

Andrew thanks for having me I'm excited to speak about such an important topic.

It is a really important topic.

Before we get into it, can you tell me a little bit about your background, where you came

from, where your ideas were shaped, and how you became a classic scholar.

Yeah, so I teach at Colorado State University. I was raised in Colorado, followed my sister who wanted to be a vet, followed her to Colorado State University.

They have one of the better vet schools.

I was introduced to some fantastic professors at Colorado State University. I mentioned this in the book in the chapter

Potatoes. It was Bill Hervey. He was a Cornell-Straussian. I took his political theory course as an undergraduate did quite well.

There was another individual by the name of Ken Hamblin.

He was a local radio talk show host, a very influential on me in high school, early college.

So I would say those two individuals, Bill Hervey at Colorado State University and

then Ken Hamlin, really kind of motivated me to appreciate American founding

principles and of course the Greeks and then from there I went to

decaying University in Pittsburgh, got my master's PhD, and I specialized in ancient

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