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The Lawfare Podcast

The Vaccine Misinformation Cometh

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 10 December 2020

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

This week on Lawfare's Arbiters of Truth series on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Claire Wardle, the co-founder and leader of the nonprofit organization First Draft and a research fellow at Harvard University’s Shorenstein Center. First Draft recently released a report on the information environment around the development of vaccines for COVID-19, and Claire talked about what she and her team found in terms of online discussion of the vaccine in English, Spanish and French. What kinds of misinformation should we be ready for as vaccines begin to be administered across the world? Why might fact-checking and labeling by platforms not be effective in countering that misinformation? And why is Claire still pessimistic about the progress that platforms and researchers have made in countering dis- and misinformation over the last four years?

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:34.0

What we kind of understood was the way that these narratives, these much bigger structures

0:38.7

for understanding the vaccines were being used as a way to try and make people think about

0:42.9

the vaccines.

0:44.2

We actually moved the publication up because the minute that the Pfizer and Moderna

0:47.9

announcements came out, we saw exactly the same narratives playing out and we thought,

0:51.7

hang on, we've got a bit of an issue here. I think if governments are saying, how are

0:56.2

we going to ensure that people do have some kind of trust in these vaccines, there needs

1:01.6

to be an understanding of those narratives, but we also need to understand the data deficits.

1:06.4

So this is something I'm becoming increasingly passionate about, which is it's not just

1:11.2

keep telling everybody that debunking rumours, it's saying, wow, people are confused about

1:16.9

why Pfizer has indemnity.

1:18.9

If this vaccine is fine, why can't we see them if there are problems?

1:23.6

I'm Quintedur ethic and this is the LawFair podcast, December 10, 2020.

1:30.8

This week on our Arbiters of Truth Series on Disinformation, Evelyn Dwack and I spoke

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with Claire Wardle, the co-founder and leader of the nonprofit organization First Draft,

1:40.6

and a research fellow at Harvard University's Shore and St. Centre.

1:44.7

First Draft recently released a report on the information environment around the development

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