Between 2028 and 2035 is sort of the future that we're looking at in terms of how multi-domain

operations as a concept addresses how we fight differently in the future.

And it's not so far out in the future where you've sort of driven past your headlights and

you are more guessing about what the future will look like.

In the past, the way that we've built capabilities for Army personnel is that, hey, we built something for you.

Now you go out and use it.

I think in the future, we're going to expect operational army, tactical army,

to be at the center of capability development.

Hey, welcome back to another episode of the Modern War Institute podcast. I'm John Ambo,

editorial director at MWI, and this episode features a conversation I had the chance to record

with Major General

John George and Mr. J. Harrison.

When we originally recorded the episode, General George was deputy director of the Army's

Futures and Concept Center, and Mr. Harrison was serving as the Command Innovation Officer

at Army Futures Command. General George is now the commander of the Combat Capabilities

Development Command,

and Mr. Harrison is John R. Boyd National Security Innovation Fellow at NYU.

As you would probably assume by the roles that both of my guests have held, this was a discussion

all about the future and innovation. But as you'll hear, that goes well beyond the sort of

high-tech gadgetry we often think of when we talk

about the future battlefield. It's also about new ways of organizing, new doctrine, new personnel

policies, and more. This episode really does represent about the best reflection of just how

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