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Welcome to the Double X Gab Fest for Thursday, January 12th, the Urin Trouble America edition.

I'm Hannah Rosen, a host of NPR's Invisibilia.

And in New York, we have Noreen Malone of New York Magazine. Hi, Noreen. Hi, Hannah. And I understand there's a man with you there. A man in the room. There's a man in the room. David Wallace Wells, Deputy Editor of New York Magazine, who's going to be June today. Are you up to the task? I'm going to try. I don't think I can pull off

the accent, but in all other ways I will do it. Yes. Okay. Why did we invite a man on today,

I was wondering the same thing, so I'm curious that you guys. Well, we are talking about some

male-ish topics. And we needed the views of a man. We're actually going to have a second

man,

also named David, join us later in the hour, because all men are named David.

Well, Ann David, this David is my co-worker, and he's a long-time listener to the podcast, so it's kind of fun.

I would say that I work more with Noreen on G-chat, actually, than at New York Magazine.

No, I feel great having David on because you are, I know that you know the show intimately.

He's a man fan of the double X-Gab Fest.

I'm listening for years. So excited to be here.

Okay, so before we get started, I want to, because our listeners have been so loyally giving us substitutes for guys, the word guys, which we weren't that into.

So I collected them. Some of them are obvious, like y'all and friends, comrades. That's the one I haven't heard in a while.

Wait, was the objection of your listeners that guys was too gendered and you were using it to refer to women to?

It was a question that someone asked us, is it sexist to use guys and why do we use it all the time?

And it was just wondering about the phrase guys.

Like you walk in a room and you say, hey, guys, is that sexist?

Because it's just yet another assumption that the male is the default.

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