Hey friends, welcome to a special episode of the Think Biblically podcast. This is going to be a little longer than normal because I have in studio, Joel Mutamali, who's written a fascinating new book called The Unseen Battle. You might recognize the name because he's playing off of Michael Heiser, who is one of the most influential biblical Old Testament scholars over the past few decades,

who sold a mega bestselling book called The Unseen Realm.

Joel was a student of Heiser's.

His book, The Unseen Battle, just came out, and let me tell you something, it's provocative.

This is longer because we're walking step by step through, how to understand the

Rebell in the Old Testament, what it means for spiritual warfare today.

Again, longer than normal on the Think Biblical podcast, but I'm telling you, if you stay with

us, I narrate it.

There's going to be a lot of eye-opening, potentially game-changing moments for you. Enjoy.

Joel Mutamali, you've written a provocative new book called The Unseen Battle, which builds

on Michael Heiser's enormously influential and best-selling book, The Unseen Realm.

We're going to get into the book. I found it fascinating. I found it eye-opening. It was

enjoyable. But I want listeners and viewers to mark their calendars because you're coming back

live with me, March 24th, 4.30 p.m. Pacific Standard Time to take questions, challenges,

clarifications on your book and also on the work of Michael Heiser.

So mark your calendars.

If you're a Heiser fan or if this is the first time, join us because I get a ton of questions

about this.

And I don't always know how to answer it.

Not that you have all the answers, but you knew Michael personally.

And so let's just jump in.

Who was Michael Heiser? And why is he had such a massive and

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