We are live now on the conversations that matter

podcast. I'm your host John Harris. We have a wonderful

discussion set up today. Just a really quick housekeeping item that I

need to share with everyone because I made a mistake on the last

podcast and I apologize for that. I said I was going to be in Wisconsin and in actuality I'm going to be in

Idaho this weekend.

Wisconsin's the next weekend.

So the best place if you want to see me in Wisconsin

or in Idaho, either way, Truthscript.com

forward slash conferences, and you can sign up for both.

This weekend's the Stand Firm conference which is in

Middleton that's outside of Boise so I look forward to seeing you there now that we got that out of the way I want to introduce

today the special guest who's never been on the podcast before

Jeremy Carl Jeremy Carl is a fellow at the Claremont Institute he was the deputy

assistant secretary of the Interior under President Trump.

He worked at the Hoover Institute.

And he's a really smart guy.

I mean, he's got his BAs from Yale, his MPAs at Harvard.

How does that work actually, having a degree from Harvard and Yale?

I mean, there's a rivalry there, but you're kind of on both sides.

There is. I think it was President Kennedy who said at one Yale commencement in which he received an honorary degree that he had the best of both worlds, the Harvard education and a Yale degree.

So, you know, I think that the rivalry is always there, but you know, it's all good I mean I'm in a more serious

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