content warning. This episode contains discussion of murder.

So since we last talked about the Idaho murders, there have been some massive developments in

that case. Namely, Brian Coburger, the suspect who's been under arrest and in custody since

December, has actually been formally indicted in the murders of the four University of Idaho

students. Today we're going to talk about some of those developments, go over some of the legal

ramifications and language, and hopefully get a better understanding of everything that's happened

recently in the case against Brian Coburger. My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.

And I'm Kevin Greenley. I'm an attorney. We first connected while looking into the

Bergerchef murders, an Indiana cold case. Together, we built a spreadsheet documenting hundreds of

cases of restaurant-related homicides. That original spreadsheet gave way to our podcast,

the murder sheet. Now we maintain that same research-centric investigative approach is we look

into all sorts of homicides, including unsolved cases, historical crimes, and of course,

restaurant murders. We don't just chat about the headlines. Our podcast is a platform for our

journalism. The murder sheet focuses on investigative reporting, thoughtful analysis,

thorough research, and in-depth interviews. Where the murder sheet? And this is the University of

Idaho murders, Brian Coburger's indictment.

I guess maybe the first place to start is to discuss what didn't happen, which is what we expected

to happen, which would be expected a preliminary hearing. And to oversimplify things a bit,

a preliminary hearing is a bit like a mini trial where we would have seen witnesses called

cross-examine. We would have seen some evidence brought forth in this case. Now that didn't happen.

Instead, they decided to go the route of the grand jury. The biggest practical difference

for the public between the grand jury and the preliminary hearing is that in the preliminary hearing,

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