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Apple News In Conversation

The unique power of an American pope

Apple News In Conversation

Apple News

News Commentary, News

4.21.8K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2026

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Nearly a year ago, Robert Prevost became Pope Leo XIV, the first pope in history from the U.S. His papacy so far has been relatively calm — until recent weeks, when a sharp public conflict with President Trump over the Iran war thrust him onto the political stage. Scott Detrow, host of NPR’s All Things Considered and coauthor of the upcoming American Pope: Leo XIV’s Road From the South Side of Chicago to Vatican City, joins guest host Sam Sanders to explore what it means to have an American pope who understands U.S. politics — and why his influence may be felt far beyond the Catholic Church.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey there, Sam Sanders here. Before we start today's episode, I have a question for you.

0:05.8

We are working on an episode about men in America today. There's a big gap between the men we're told we should be and the men we actually are.

0:14.3

We want to hear about that gap from you. Tell us about a moment when you felt it. Maybe it was something you were taught about being a man that never quite fit.

0:22.6

Maybe it's a standard you've been held to, by your family, your culture, your own expectations,

0:28.6

that you've never been able or never wanted to meet.

0:32.6

Use your iPhone's voice memos app to record yourself.

0:35.6

Tell us your name, where you're from, and your story.

0:38.7

Please try to keep it to about a minute or less.

0:41.1

And then send it to us.

0:42.8

We're at In Conversation at Apple.com.

0:46.3

We might include your voice on the show.

0:47.9

Thanks.

0:53.5

This is In Conversation from Apple News.

0:56.0

I'm Sam Sanders in for Shemita Basu.

0:59.0

Today, what an American Pope means for the U.S.

1:06.0

We are approaching the first anniversary of Pope Leo the 14th, becoming the first American Pope in history.

1:17.6

It was a moment that many people didn't see coming.

1:20.2

Growing up as a Catholic, you were told there was never going to be an American pope.

1:24.3

The church would never want to give that level of power to an American

1:28.3

because the country is already front and center. That's Scott Detrow. He's a host of NPR's

1:33.3

All Things Considered, and he's currently working on a biography of Pope Leo out this fall.

1:38.5

And then all of the sudden, I'm broadcasting the conclave live for NPR.

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