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The UK Supreme Court ruling and the fight for trans rights

Pod Save the UK

Crooked Media

News Commentary, News, Government, Politics

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

In the wake of the UK Supreme Court ruling that the legal definition of woman should be based on biological sex, Nish and Zoë speak to LGBTQ+ activist Ellen Jones, author of "Outrage: Why the fight for LGBTQ+ equality is not yet won and what we can do about it" about the implications for trans people .  They discuss how the campaigning of reactionaries like billionaire author JK Rowling led to the decision that has seen Prime Minister Keir Starmer backflipping on his support for the trans community. Ellen speaks on the dangers of the recent ruling and practical ways to resist and support the trans community. Then, as the Tories flounder ahead of the local elections, Zoë hedges her bets. And we take a look at two shocking attempts to seize the limelight by Liz Truss and Tony Blair. Plus, ahead of the Australian election this weekend, Nish speaks to former Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan about how, in the wake of Trump's tariffs and attacks on allies, the commonwealth might be more important than ever and what the US and UK could learn from Australia's compulsory preferential voting system. CORRECTION: In this episode we at one point refer to the EHCR incorrectly, for clarity, it is the Equality and Human Rights Commission. CHECK OUT THESE DEALS FROM OUR SPONSORS  AURA FRAMES https://www.auraframes.com CODE: PSUK SHOPIFY https://www.shopify.co.uk/podsavetheuk  Guests: Ellen Jones Wayne Swan Useful links: Outrage: Why the fight for LGBTQ+ equality is not yet won and what we can do about it by Ellen Jones https://www.panmacmillan.com/authors/ellen-jones/outrage/9781035030606 The Good Law Project Crowdfunder to legally challenge the Supreme Court Decision https://goodlawproject.org/crowdfunder/supreme-court-human-rights-for-trans-people/ Compilation of protests against the Supreme Court Decision https://whatthetrans.com/compilation-of-protests-against-the-supreme-court/  Volunteer at your local trans pride - London Trans Pride call for stewards https://www.instagram.com/londontranspride Write to your MP https://transactual.org.uk/change-actions/write-to-your-mp/ Reclaim the framing of UK trans rights https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTWR6sdj_xWKoOGLmwp0JotSL3NBrYSd1Dy3VZOIIKJKy0Ej6cFPt32IIKan3qCq6fG4lpgrw46ewO0/pub?urp=gmail_link Protect the Dolls T-shirt in support of Trans Lifeline, a US-based charity https://connerives.com/products/pre-order-protect-the-dolls-t-shirt Info on voting in the Australian Election abroad: ALPABROAD.ORG  Audio Credits Sky News ITV News Pod Save the UK is a Reduced Listening production for Crooked Media. Contact us via email: [email protected] Insta: https://instagram.com/podsavetheuk BlueSky: @podsavetheuk.crooked.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/podsavetheuk TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@podsavetheuk Facebook: https://facebook.com/podsavetheuk Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@PodSavetheUK Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Pod Save the UK. I'm Nish Kumar. And I'm Zoe Grunewald. Nish, it's been a while. How is your week

0:07.9

off the show? My week off was very exciting. I've been in Sydney, Perth, Brisbane. I'm now in

0:16.0

New Zealand. I'm now deep in true Lord of the Rings country. I would love to say that I'm going on a tour of Hobbiton.

0:23.4

The set of Lord of the Rings has now been turned into a tourist attraction.

0:26.7

I'm not doing that.

0:27.8

And that's simply because I've already been before.

0:30.7

Wow, Mr. Worldwide over here.

0:33.0

Yeah, I'm very cool.

0:34.8

I'm very, very cool.

0:36.5

On the show today, we'll be talking about the UK Supreme

0:39.1

Court ruling that the term woman refers to a biological woman. Yes, that's right. The decision

0:44.8

has seen J.K. Rowling emerge in full super villain mode, sharing a photo of her on a super

0:51.4

yacht, smoking a cigar along with the caption, I love it when a plan comes together.

0:56.3

Pedro Pascal, the actor and star of The Last of Us, has branded this heinous loser behavior,

1:01.6

which is a pretty pithy summary of a lot of her behavior in the last couple of years.

1:08.4

And speaking of heinous losers, we're going to be discussing what's at stake for the Conservative

1:13.4

Party in this week's local elections.

1:16.1

And whilst in Australia, I spoke to former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan

1:21.2

about why it might be time for the Commonwealth to start coming closer together, this week's

1:25.8

election in Australia.

1:27.1

And perhaps surprisingly, unless you know a huge amount about Wayne Swan or me, wealth to start coming closer together, this week's election in Australia, and perhaps

1:28.4

surprisingly, unless you know a huge amount about Wayne Swan or me, Bruce Springsteen. There was a lot

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