You know, and I hope people who hear this kind of lend their voices to the battle cry.

We have to, we really have to equip our founders with more UK capital.

We talk about stopping the boats, we worry about immigration. But I mean, for God's sake,

I mean, the scale of sales of indigenous, fantastic new K-K companies that could have already got

as a tech sector that was halfway to the one trillion-pound target is scandalous.

We don't have to join all the EU institutions if we don't want to,

but we certainly got to associate with a single market, Customs Union,

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Hello and welcome to the UKTM podcast, a weekly chat with the movers and shakers of the UK

tech industry and the destination for all things UK tech related. I'm your host, Jane Wakefield,

and today I am joined by Will Hutton, political economist, journalist, author and academic. Welcome,

Will. He's to be here. Now, I got in touch with you on the back of what I think is probably one

of the most talked about budgets in years. We've seen lots of governments,

including the current one, talk up tech, but when it comes to the actual budget, and I've

covered a few budgets in my time as a journalist, there's often little of substance for the

sector in it. So is that going to change in this budget, do you think?

A little bit. As far as I can understand from the Treasury officials and advisors I've spoken to,

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