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The Briefing Room

The UK’s financial headache

The Briefing Room

BBC

News, News Commentary

4.8731 Ratings

🗓️ 21 September 2023

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

David Aaronovitch and guests discuss how Conservative and Labour preparations for the next election will be dictated by the state of the UK's public finances.

Guests:

Paul Johnson, Director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies Mehreen Khan, economics editor of The Times Torsten Bell, chief executive of the Resolution Foundation

Production: Ben Carter, Claire Bowes and Kirsteen Knight Production co-ordinator: Sophie Hill and Jacqui Johnson Sound: Rod Farquhar Editor: Richard Vadon

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0:00.0

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0:09.0

In this week's prime ministerial announcements over Net Zero,

0:13.6

commentators began to discern some of the battle lines for an election

0:17.4

that must be held within the next 16 months.

0:21.8

But whatever the promises,

0:24.1

how much real latitude will the UK's economic and financial position

0:28.0

for the term of any new government give to the party which wins that election?

0:33.8

Or, to put it crudely, is there any money?

0:37.8

Step inside the briefing room and together we'll find out.

0:45.7

Our first job is to understand the constraints that will face any government after the next election.

0:51.5

The timeframe we've chosen is from the beginning of 2025 onwards.

0:55.7

And to help us, I have with me, Paul Johnson, Director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

1:00.9

Paul Johnson, things change all the time, obviously, but in broad terms, what do we currently

1:04.8

know about the projected state of public finances for, say, 2025 and the five years after that?

1:12.6

Borrowing over the last few years has been incredibly high as we come out of the pandemic.

1:18.3

Levels of borrowing are actually forecast to go down to really relatively modest levels

1:23.2

over the next four or five years. But there's a big problem, nevertheless. And that problem is that

1:29.4

the overall level of our national debt, so not the amount that we borrow each year, but the

1:33.6

accumulated debt, is barely set to fall over that period. It's stuck around 100% of national income,

1:41.3

which is the highest it's been since the early 1960s. And we know that both the

1:47.7

main parties are committed to getting that level down into the medium term. And that unfortunately

1:53.9

is really hard at the moment. It's hard for several reasons. One is that we're paying an awful

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