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Hello and welcome to political thinking.

A conversation with rather than a newsy interrogation of someone who shapes our political thinking about what has shaped theirs.

This week, when Israel has been remembering the victims of the massacres of October 7th, when the

world is watching what looks increasingly like a descent into all-out

war in the Middle East, Zippy Atovli has been the voice of her country.

Israel's Ambassador to the UK was hand-picked by Benjamin Netanyahu after her saw her make her case

with characteristic vigor on a TV talk show.

He asked the self-proclaimed religious right-winger a one of Israel's leading diplomats here in Britain.

Ambassador Atofley, thank you very much indeed for joining me on political thinking.

Very happy to be here with you, Nick.

We are speaking after a week of events to remember the victims of

the massacre of October the seventh. You have done a whole series of interviews.

Do you feel like you? Do you feel like Israel is still in many ways reliving the trauma of October the 7th each and every day. No doubt, yes of course. I think the 7th of October was a

watershed moment in Israeli history. There is no doubt we won't be the same people.

We will have a different security strategy after the 7th of October.

And just starting maybe from my personal point of view, I was in Israel at the 7th of October it was a Jewish

holiday we came for a nice family gathering we were planning to celebrate the

day in a synagogue and 630 a.m. I remember the first sirens came and then when at 8 o'clock we had a second

barrage of rockets I realize that we are in something that is called a war that my generation

experienced for the last time at the second Lebanon war and for my parents generation it gave, I would say, a historic memories from the Yom Kippu War,

this feeling that in the middle of a Jewish holiday, you get sirens and something really bad happening to your country. holiday you

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