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Today, we're bringing you an episode of a slight change of plans, hosted by my friend, Dr. Maya Shankar.

Maya is a behavioral scientist and a former student of mine.

In this episode, Maya sits down with best-selling author and popular podcaster Mel Robbins

to talk about letting go of perfectionism and people-ple pleasing and how to cope when you lose control of a situation.

If you enjoy this, you should listen to more episodes of a slight change of plans wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, slight changers, just a heads up.

There's a brief mention of sexual assault in this episode at the five-minute mark. It's not explicit, but if you want to skip over that minute, please do and take care.

I actually thought that I would feel safe if everybody around me was okay.

That if everybody around me was happy, if everybody around me was not disappointed,

if everybody around me liked me or thought I was cool, then I would be okay.

Mel Robbins is a best-selling author and podcast host.

And the problem with that is that the one thing you can't control in life is other people.

And so to hand your safety and sense of self over to other people's moods and thoughts

and expectations of you means you will forever in your

entire life always feel as though you're not in control of what's happening.

On today's show, to all my people pleasers, control freaks, perfectionists, and micro-managers.

We're learning to let it all go.

I'm Maya Shunker, a scientist who studies human behavior, and this is a slight change of plans, a show about who we are and who we become

in the face of a big change. If you've ever found yourself fending over backwards to meet other people's expectations or trying to control their emotions and behaviors, I promise that you are not alone.

Mel Robbins, host of the wildly popular The Mel Robbins podcast, has a new book out called The Let Them Theory.

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