Welcome to the Dispatch Podcast on David French on my last full day of Dispatch podcasting

and Dispatch work before I move over to the New York Times. So for my last full day of podcasting,

now the advisory opinions podcast is still going to continue. But for my last full day of

podcasting, I couldn't think of a better person to talk to than my friend Camille Foster Camille.

Where do I begin with you? One of the leading voices of reason on Twitter? Is that a good

is that a good by-line? Co-hosts. We co-hosts a We The Fifth podcast, which I've had the honor of

being on a couple of times. And just general all around just general all around friend of liberty.

And so I like that. Camille and I have been in a kind of online foxhole together before and we'll

get into that. But the main reason I brought Camille here is we're going to talk about the Twitter

files and a bit about the Facebook files, which is a much sort of smaller category of the conversation,

not in consequence, but in kind of the conversation. So we want to talk about free speech online.

And I want to get Camille's take on what he thinks about the Twitter files. I've been very curious

about his sort of holistic take on this. As I said, he's always been to me one of the more

reasonable and proportionate voices on Twitter. You recognize when small things are small things

and when big things are big things and that's a gift. So we're going to drill down into all of that.

But before before we do, I want to talk a bit about our shared experience in the online foxhole.

Camille and I along with Thomas Chatterton Williams and Jason Stanley wrote a op-ed in the New York Times

cautioning against these anti-CRT bills that had been proposed and passed in many state legislatures.

On a couple of grounds, one was just as a general matter, it is not a good practice to oppose ideas

by banning ideas. And that was sort of the general thesis statement. And then a secondary look at

sort of the precise details of many of these bills. They were poorly written

overbroad, very vague, left people with very little guidance as to how to regulate their speech.

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