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And I pressed him on then to say, well, okay, is it your view that like the first thousand years of people after the Apostles? None of them went to heaven in terms of anyone we know. And he was just like,

fine accepting that conclusion. Bananas. I've been thinking lately that I'm not sure I think knowledge

is possible if by, yeah, if by, well, if by knowledge, we take the standard philosophical definition

of justified true belief. It doesn't look like he's literally commanding genocide. And yet, it sits uneasily with my worldview as a Catholic. It just does. It fits as uneasly with my worldview as a Christian. In the 19th century, my wife and my kids would be counted as black under the one-drop rule. Phenomenal lot, or phenotypically, they don't look. I mean, you look at them, you'd assume they're white. But depending on what one means by these racial categories, increasingly we're going to have these questions where it's, what does that even mean? What is, you know, like I'm thinking about just the public square, people like Patrick Mahomes, where it's like, what does it mean to be black in America? What is it like what do any of these terms mean practically?

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Trying to get better at starting these interviews with questions that gripped the audience.

So they stick around. The last two times I was on. You asked me about COVID and Taylor Swift.

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