Welcome to part two of our conversation with Steve Ward about the wide world of the paranormal.

Is there a connection between alien-like creatures? That's such a generic term I know, but things of that nature and spirits of the living, what we would consider ghosts, meaning, is there anything there

in any of your research or anything that you've looked at that points to, okay, once we're dead,

because we obviously have many stories of, well, it seems to be my father's visiting me again,

because of very distinct traits and things that he did in it seems to be my father's visiting me again because of very distinct

traits and things that he did in life seem to be happening here when he's gone.

Is there ever been anything where there seems to be a connection of like, okay, something

to do with this craft or these beings or whatever, a connection to deceased individuals that that were

you know on this planet as you know family members okay uh rosemary ellen giley told me once that

uh she and uh one of her friends were in uh waverly hills sanatorium and you know the way, the way they work at Waverly Hills, you break off in groups and so forth.

And they don't use any lighting or anything like that.

You just let your eyes adjust.

Well, they were in, I don't know which specific area they were in.

But the person she was with said, Rosemary, do you see see what I see and they're looking deep into the dark and she says yeah it looks like a gray she saw they saw what looked like a gray alien inside a haunted sanatorium

John Keel had gotten many reports of people of craft landing and so forth, and some of the

people stepping off the craft looked like a deceased relative.

So is, you know, if not others people might say, well, the aliens, of course, can manipulate your mind

to make you think

you're seeing Uncle Harry

or something like that.

But again, yeah,

so there,

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