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Give me a full ballerina skirt and a hint of saloon and I'm on board.

Yeah. a full ballerina skirt in a hinder saloon and I'm on board I can't go back I can't go back

well I can't go back.

Welcome to the She Became Visible podcast.

I'm your host, Renee Steelman.

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Hello. Hello, welcome to my coven.

I just felt that it is appropriate that I wear the, the sanctioned headdress for all of you, which is out there.

We are going to be talking about magic. We're going to be

talking about shape-shifting. And we're going to be talking about lies and frauds. That's what we're

going to be talking about in reality. Okay. But I just felt like it was the time of the season.

And with everything that's going on right now, it just seemed really appropriate that I invite Vivian.

As you see, Vivian is always over my shoulder.

But we're just going to be talking about a little bit of magic and a little bit of church history.

But especially I'm going to be talking and also highlighting the wonderful

work of Lynn Packer once again, because he explains everything so well. I could add nothing to

what he has done. His research and the way that he formulates it is so beautiful. So that's what we're

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