There are two dangers in the way we approach or we think about Satan.

If the common danger in our culture is not to believe Satan exists, then there is a danger on the other side, which is we become obsessed with Satan.

And we terrify people with Satan's power without the complementary truth that he who is in us is greater than he who is in the world,

that the power of the Holy Spirit is far greater than the power of Satan.

Welcome to the Crossway podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week for thoughtful

interviews about the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life. I'm Matt Tully, and today I'm talking with Ian Dugood.

Ian serves as professor of Old Testament and dean of online learning at Westminster Theological

Seminary and the pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Glenside, Pennsylvania.

He served as a missionary in Liberia and planted churches in Pennsylvania, California, and England.

He's also the author of The Whole Armor of God,

How Christ's Victory Strengthens Us for Spiritual Warfare, with Crossway.

Today, Ian and I discuss Satan and demons.

He explains what the Bible really teaches us about the devil,

how to avoid overestimating

or underestimating his impact on the world and even on our day-to-day lives, and why our

culture seems fascinated by demons when it comes to horror movies and Halloween.

Let's get started.

Well, Ian, thank you so much for joining us on the Crossway podcast today.

I'm very happy to be with you.

So when it comes to spiritual warfare and thinking about evil powers in our world,

it strikes me that a lot of times in our culture today and even among Christians,

the dominant realms where we actually think about those kinds of things are

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