Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer.

This is Marianne Sullivan.

And this week we'll be talking with Jennifer Molador of the Center for Biological Diversity and Ashley Capps from among other places, a well-fed world. And they will be talking about so-called

regenerative agriculture for cows and other ways in which animal agriculture is basically

ruining the world, in particular for wild animals. And this is such a hot topic. So I'm just so grateful that they are

tackling this because, oh God, if I hear that term, I mean, when I first heard the term regenerative

agriculture, I think they're, well, we'll find out in the interview. But it was always my

impression that this was a good thing. And it had to do with regenerating the soil. And it wasn't

necessarily about animals, but it's become all about animals specifically about cows and it's

total bullshit, so to speak. Well, totally. And, you know, I'm glad that this episode is going to

exist. It's actually total bullshit. I would love it if people can, you know, bookmark this episode and use it whenever

someone brings up regenerative agriculture. Like, oh, hey, by the way, did you hear this?

So this is never going to fix things. Yeah, right. Sure. That's how we're going to fix things.

We're all going to become cowboys and go to the Wild West and I don't know. Well, they will bring much more clarity

to this issue than I can. I can assure you. But you did bring clarity to another issue this week

because there's a new episode of the Animal Law podcast. Well, I can't say that I brought clarity.

Once again, I just asked the questions. But yeah, this is a great episode because, you know, we don't always have big successes. And we have talked before on the podcast about the Tully Elk. We had our wonderful flock member, Sue Fisher, Sue Fisher on, who is an activist who has worked on

this tirelessly for years. If you're not familiar with what's going on with the tully elk,

well, I won't tell you here. You have to listen to the Animal Law podcast episode. This is what's

Chris Green and Rebecca Garberman. Neither of them are at Harvard anymore, but it's talking

about their work when they were at Harvard, because the Harvard Clinic did a good deal of work on this.

Other lawyers have done a good deal of work on this. It has really been a major project, but it has to

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