The truth about Pope Francis … and your reaction to our trans debate
The Two Matts
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4.4 • 523 Ratings
🗓️ 24 April 2025
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
What kind of Pope was Francis? Is it chaos and division he leaves in his wake… or a pathway for a more liberal, hopeful Roman Catholic Church? The Matts discuss his legacy. Also this week - the Matts’ inbox was bursting at the seams with reaction to their recent pod on trans rights and the Supreme Court’s definition of what a woman is. They take you through a representative selection - with some fascinating points of view. Enjoy!
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| 1:05.0 | Hello and happy Thursday. |
| 1:06.1 | Happy Thursday, one and all. |
| 1:07.4 | Hope you're all having a great week. |
| 1:07.8 | Absolutely. |
| 1:10.4 | The Pope is dead. |
| 1:11.5 | It may have come to your attention. He is indeed. And on week. Absolutely. The Pope is dead. It may have come to your attention. |
| 1:12.6 | He is indeed. |
| 1:18.7 | And on Saturday, it will be his funeral at St. Peter's in Vatican City initially. |
| 1:24.2 | And there's going to be quite a cast, I think, of Starrma and Zelensky and Miele and Trump. |
| 1:25.1 | They're all turning up. |
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