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The "What is Money?" Show

The Truth About Our AI Future w/ Ben Goertzel

The "What is Money?" Show

Robert Breedlove

Money, History, Cryptocurrency, Finance, Investing, Breedlove, Bitcoin, Rabbit Hole, Robert Breedlove, What Is Money, Education

4.8724 Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2025

⏱️ 114 minutes

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Summary

Ben Goertzel joins the show to explore humanity’s future in a world shaped by AGI — from the evolution of intelligence to the emergence of machine consciousness. They discuss the transition from narrow AI to general intelligence, the possibility of AGI becoming humanity’s “next species,” the ethics of decentralized superintelligence, and how open-source AI might be the key to avoiding catastrophic centralization. Ben explains why AGI may reshape economics, governance, and biology, why consciousness is not limited to humans or biology, and how AI networks may begin cooperating, competing, and evolving in ways we cannot predict. They explore the future of personhood, identity, and whether humans will merge with AGI — or be surpassed by it. Ben Goertzel is the CEO of SingularityNET and one of the world’s leading AGI researchers.

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0:00.0

He looked at patients who had corpus callosomectomy. The two half of their brains have been split to stop them from having epileptic seizures that would kill them. The result is when you whisper into one ear, only that part of the brain hears it. When you whisper into that ear, only that part of the brain hears it. He would whisper into the right ear, go out in the hallway and get a Coke from the Coke machine. Only this half of the brain heard it, right? Then the guy would go do it. Guy will come back with the Coke.

0:23.5

He whispering this year, why did you say? out in the hallway and get a Coke from the Coke machine. Only this half of the brain heard it, right?

0:21.0

Then the guy would go do it.

0:22.1

Guy would come back with the Coke. He'd whisper in this year, why did you just go out in the hallway? Oh, I was really thirsty. So I decided to go get the Coke. But they really felt like they had that half of the brain made that decision. Then you could show them the video. They're like, oh, shit. If you have an economy of AIs, does the economy of AIs actually need money? So suppose you have not just one mind, but you have multiple AI minds, each of which has its own resources, and they want to exchange and they want to collaborate. Fundamentally, each of them can do certain things and each of them

0:55.3

would like certain other things done. Then each of them may be willing to do certain things in exchange

1:00.0

for having certain other things done. If you are computers and all of your actions are recorded

1:04.8

on chain, they're recorded online in some verifiable form, you can just have a whole big data structure, which is like, I would do this in exchange for that. I would do this in exchange for that., you can just have a whole big data structure,

1:11.0

which is like, I would do this in exchange for that.

1:13.1

I would do this in exchange for that.

1:14.3

And you can just have a matching engine that matches the barter offers.

1:31.6

So, Mr. Gertzl, thank you for joining me.

1:33.1

Yeah, thanks for having me.

1:34.1

I'm looking forward.

1:38.6

Yeah, we have a fan that's really been pushing for us to have this conversation,

1:39.9

so I hope he's excited.

1:42.0

I've been talking to him for like a year.

1:42.5

Okay.

1:45.2

He's like, when are you going to Miami?

1:46.2

When are you going to Miami?

1:48.1

Here it is. Yeah, I am in beautiful Miami.

1:49.8

That's right.

1:51.1

All right.

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