Hey folks, welcome to a special episode of the Dark Horse podcast. This episode is going to cover

Nazi medicine. And if there is interest in this topic, it is likely to be the first in a series.

I am sitting with Dr. Jonathan Hudson and Dr. Michael Bryant this morning. I think it's probably best if Dr. Hudson

explains how the three of us know each other and his credentials and Michael's, and we will

fill in any details that are left out. So without further ado, Michael and Jonathan, welcome to Dark Horse.

Thanks for having us, Brett.

Thank you, Brett. It's great to be here.

So we've, us guys have known each other for about five years now.

Seems a long time now, doesn't it?

The reason that I contacted both of you was because about five years ago, I was thinking about my PhD

dissertation and I reached out, you two are from obviously very different fields. Michael's a professor of

history and law. You're a biologist. And I reached out to both of you

hoping to get your expertise in the help of my dissertation. And Michael helped me with historical

sources and where to find them. And then I was interested in evolutionary biology and how that

would fit into my dissertation. So I then reached out to Brett as well. And since we've worked together

in various capacities, we've done a podcast together, Me and Michael have doing a few podcasts together.

And Brett, we've worked together because you became the chair of my PhD dissertation.

Excellent. So I will just say for my part that my interest in this topic began when I was an undergraduate studying under Bob Trivers, one of the great

evolutionary biologists of the 20th century. And essentially, I wrote a final paper in his

course on behavioral evolution that tested the hypothesis that Nazi atrocities were not the result

of insanity, as was often claimed at the time, but were in fact the result of an adaptive

evolutionary pattern. In essence, that the Nazis put a special spin on a very general pattern of evolution,

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