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Deeply Well with Devi Brown

The Truth About Emotional Intelligence with Dr. Marc Brackett

Deeply Well with Devi Brown

The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartPodcasts

Health & Fitness

5.0 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Marc Brackett joins us today to talk about what emotional intelligence actually is—and why it’s not just “being a deep feeler” or a good talker. He breaks it down with his RULER framework (recognizing, understanding, labeling, expressing, regulating) and pushes for more precise language than “good,” because nuance changes everything.

One of the biggest takeaways: emotional skills don’t grow without “permission to feel,” and most people didn’t have an “emotional ally” growing up—someone “non-judgmental” who offers presence instead of fixing. He also shares practical regulation tools: “never worry alone,” watch your self-talk, and set identity-based intentions (like being “cherished” and “alive” as a parent). He reminds parents, including Devi, that it’s “effortful, but it is not difficult,” and sleep is often the hidden barrier.

Connect with Marc
Website: https://marcbrackett.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marc.brackett/

Read: Dealing With Feeling

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Living In Wisdom Book: https://www.devibrown.com/book

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.

0:07.0

Welcome to Deeply Well.

0:09.1

This show is a soft place to land on your journey, a space where we explore what it truly means to live well from the inside out.

0:19.2

Not perfectly, but honestly. this is deeply well. I'm Debbie Brown and

0:26.5

welcome back to the show. So today we are exploring emotional intelligence and parenting,

0:32.9

but more specifically, what it really means to understand, navigate, and build an relationship

0:40.8

with our emotional world.

0:42.9

Because emotional intelligence isn't just something that we learn.

0:46.9

It's something that we have to practice moment by moment and how we meet ourselves and

0:53.1

others.

0:57.1

So today, I am so excited to dive into all the things. I'm really honored to have this conversation today with our very special guest,

1:03.1

Dr. Mark Brackett. Mark is the founding director of the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence

1:09.0

and a professor in the Child Study Center at Yale University.

1:13.5

He is the author of two bestselling books, Permission to Feel, which has been translated into

1:18.9

32 languages, and most recently dealing with feeling, which also serves as the title of this

1:27.0

podcast, featuring conversations

1:28.8

with leading scientists, authors, musicians, and cultural influencers. Mark is the lead developer

1:36.3

of Ruler, an evidence-based framework for cultivating emotional intelligence that has been

1:42.0

adapted by more than 5,000 schools worldwide.

1:46.8

He has authored over 200 scholarly publications, and his research has been featured in the New York Times, Good Morning America, Time, and Today.

1:57.0

Mark has headlined more than 700 conferences, advises Fortune 500 companies on building emotionally intelligent workplace cultures, and is the co-creator of the award-winning How We Feel app, a tool that's helping millions of people improve their well-being.

2:14.0

Mark is also the producer of the acclaimed documentary film, America Unfiltered, Portraits and Voices of a Nation.

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