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Deeply Well with Devi Brown

"Take Your Life Seriously” with Nedra Glover Tawwab

Deeply Well with Devi Brown

The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartPodcasts

Health & Fitness

4.91.4K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Today we sit with our very first guest of Season Five - therapist and bestselling author Nedra Glover Tawwab, who talks about what it means to “take life seriously” through intention, and why success doesn’t have to start perfectly. Her new book, The Balancing Act, is about learning the difference between “tolerable annoyance and abuse and neglect,” so we stop cutting people off for normal friction and end up lonelier. She reminds us, “we are in charge of our phone,” and sometimes the healthiest move is just not answering, without turning it into a relationship-ending talk. 

What is a healthy community? Tawwab jokes about how important our interactions are, even with the baristas at our local cafe.  Every interaction, especially the reliable day-to-day interactions hold value, and often can be healthier than the relationships we put the weight of expectations on.

 We also elaborate on "how useful it is to know how you show up in the world" and not get pigeonholed into an attachment style. Therapy and our conversations shared within those sessions are to help us identify our patterns and why and how they show up, and create outcomes that don't align with our desires. Tawwab points out these scenarios, how they’ve shown up in her life, and allowed her to acknowledge how she’s grown.

As always, we end the episode with soul-work. Nedra offers the question: “What is your relationship with offering people grace, extending it to yourself as well?

Connect with Nedra 
Website https://www.nedratawwab.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nedratawwab

Connect with Devi:
Website: https://devibrownwellbeing.com/

Substack: https://substack.com/@devibrown

Living In Wisdom Book: https://www.devibrown.com/book

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/devibrown/

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Twitter: https://twitter.com/devibrown?s=21&t=

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Threads - https://www.threads.com/@devibrown

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0:00.0

This is an IHeart podcast.

0:02.5

Guaranteed human.

0:04.4

No gloss, no filter.

0:07.4

Just stories.

0:09.1

Spoken without fear.

0:10.9

Person who is not generous can not be an artist.

0:13.8

The world will be at peace only when it is ruled by poets and philosophers.

0:18.4

Listen to my weekly podcast, the Pooja Abhawad show

0:21.1

and the I Heart Radio app,

0:22.9

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0:24.2

or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:27.3

Come for the honesty.

0:29.2

Stay for the fire.

0:34.3

Hey, y'all, it's Lauren Mara Rosa

0:35.9

with the latest with Lauren andRosa on Black Effect.

0:38.9

And I cannot wait to see you guys at the fourth annual Black Effect podcast festival.

0:44.2

We're coming back to Atlanta, Georgia on Saturday, April 25th at Palmer Yards.

0:49.0

And it's hosted by me, alongside DJ Envy and Charleney God.

0:53.5

We got drink chance with Noriega and DJEFN.

0:56.4

We got Keep It Positive, sweetie with my girl, Crystal Renee Hacelet.

1:00.1

We got reality with the king with my guide and my brother, Carlos King.

1:04.7

And y'all know he does reality commentary like nobody can.

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