Welcome to Fat Masgara, where you're going to get a, a,

take on beauty culture and the beauty industry and occasional personal anecdotes about the wildlife here in Brooklyn New York. Hi everyone it's Jen. I

know we have a bunch of new listeners who are coming here for this interview and

maybe don't know much about me, but just give me 10 seconds

to give my fat mascara fam this update.

Guys, the morning doves that made a nest on my balcony are doing great.

And as you know, their names are Sam and Sally and their

babies officially have names too. We all have to welcome to the family

Stattler and Waldorf, the baby morning doves. They're big and gray and kind of grumpy and they hang out on a balcony.

So bonus points to anyone who gets that reference.

Okay, moving on to today's show. This is one of those interviews that, you know what, we probably would not have done five years ago.

It's a bit inside baseball, if you know what I mean.

But I wanted to talk to someone who could explain more about how beauty products

actually get made like the product development process and what

contract manufacturing is and what white labeling is and what's really going

on when your favorite beauty brand post something like, I know you've seen this.

Excuse us, we're having supply chain issues and we'll be back in stock soon.

Like what's going on there? These are the kind of questions I always think about and maybe five years ago I was

trying to be more consumer facing and I was like if I'm interested in this I'm

pretty sure there's a lot of other people out there that are interested too.

So my guest today to help us dig into all of that and

tell us a bit about a brand is Maria Hatsey Stephanis. She's the founder of

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