The “Trump Ruined My Dinner” Edition
Rational Security
The Lawfare Institute
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 11 September 2025
⏱️ 72 minutes
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Summary
This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Benjamin Wittes and Natalie Orpett, and Professor of Law at Cardozo Law School Rebecca Ingber, to talk through the week’s big national security news, including:
- “Uninvited Aerial Vehicles.” The Polish government is claiming that nineteen armed Russian UAVs penetrated its airspace last night. While Russians are suggesting no attack was intended, Poland has invoked Article IV of the NATO Treaty and worked with allied NATO aircraft to shoot the drones down. What might be happening here? And does it mean we’re on our way to World War III as some are suggesting?
- “Bibi is a Killer Negotiator. No, Wait—Switch That.” Within days of the Trump administration tabling another ceasefire proposal—and, by some accounts, making progress in pressuring Hamas to accept it—Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu authorized a set of missile strikes that killed the leaders of Hamas’s political wing in nearby Qatar. It’s the first such move in a Gulf country, many of which have moved towards normalization with Israel through the Trump-backed Abraham Accords. What explains Israel’s actions? And what do they portend for the conflict in Gaza and the region as a whole?
- “Cruise Control.” A week has passed since the Trump administration took the controversial step of targeting a boat alleged to be smuggling narcotics at the direction of the Venezuelan criminal organization Tren de Aragua with lethal force. The Trump administration hasn’t repeated the move, but it’s said it intends to. And U.S. military assets—including strategic assets whose use in a counter-narcotics military campaign is far from clear—have continued to build up in the region, leading some to believe that a broader campaign against Venezuela itself may yet be in the offing. How likely is a broader campaign? And could its implications be, legally and politically?
In Object Lessons, Ben is cheering on a cadre of former FBI agents suing Kash Patel over their firings, and in the process, sings the praises of an accidental hero—the “Drizz.” Natalie, meanwhile, gets très littéraire with “The Elegance of the Hedgehog,” by Muriel Barbery—a book so French that almost nothing happens. Scott rang in his 8th wedding anniversary the traditional way: getting drunk in the basement and falling in love all over again—with The Paper. And Bec wonders just how much coin it’s going to take to change the Department of Defense to the Department of War.
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| 0:32.7 | Ben, I understand you had a very interesting dinner last night. |
| 0:36.7 | Well, actually, I didn't. |
| 0:38.3 | Normally, I object to being stood up for dinner. |
| 0:42.6 | But last night, I had dinner plans, which I made with two people who are sisters, |
| 0:51.4 | and I was excited to see them, and they stood me up, and I was overjoyed to be |
| 0:58.5 | stood up, because the reason they stood me up was that their other sister, who was being held |
| 1:06.0 | hostage in Iraq by Khatib Hezbollah, was freed, And it was just as I was like walking out of Brookings |
| 1:13.9 | to go home and then go meet them at the restaurant, Trump tweets that he'd managed to get |
| 1:22.2 | Elizabeth Tsirkoff freed. I still have no idea if Trump had anything to do with it. But all of a sudden I realized |
| 1:29.2 | I was going to get stood up for dinner and I was delighted by it. That is the best way Donald |
| 1:35.2 | Trump has ruined Ben Wittes' dinner in years. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Rational Security, the show where we invite you to join |
| 1:48.6 | members of the Lawfare team and sometimes our friends as we try to make sense of the week's |
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