The “Master of the House” Edition
Rational Security
The Lawfare Institute
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 3 September 2025
⏱️ 80 minutes
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Summary
This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Anna Bower, Tyler McBrien, and Peter Harrell to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including:
- “Faginomics.” With the recent announcement that the U.S. government would be taking a 10% stake in the company Intel, the Trump administration has ushered in a new era of state-guided industrial policy, fueled by concerns of major power competition, particularly around the race to AI. How does this new policy intersect with its other novel economic priorities, such as the imposition of tariffs? And how legally viable is it, given present (and potentially future) legal challenges?
- “Ménage à Trois.” On the margins of the recent meeting of the China- and Russia-led Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi made a point of warmly (and very publicly) embracing Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping—a move many have taken as a clear shot across the bow at the Trump administration, which has been in heated economic negotiations with India over tariffs and trade relations. What does this exchange say about the Trump administration’s handling of the U.S. relationship with India—and other key U.S. relationships?
- “Midnight Planes Going Nowhere.” In an emergency hearing over the holiday weekend, federal judge Sparkle Sooknanan stopped the Trump administration from deporting hundreds of unaccompanied Guatemalan minor migrants to their home country—a move that the government of Guatemala has now claimed that it invited. What should we make of this move by the Trump administration? And how does it fit within its broader immigration crackdown?
In object lessons, Tyler biked to City Island, NY, discovering a charming little enclave with great food, shops, and beaches. Sticking with the New York theme, Anna recommends “John Proctor is the Villain,” a play by a writer from her Georgia hometown that’s so good it’s making women cry. Scott, meanwhile, left New York behind to live his best Neapolitan life with a new backyard pizza oven that can achieve the appropriate temp for a puffy crust. And Peter’s been reading “When the Clock Broke,” a reminder that the 1990s may have been the dress rehearsal for our current political dumpster fire, all the while keeping an eye on challenges to Trump v. Casa.
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| 0:00.0 | So Tyler, our producer, Noam, who is obviously more deeply, deeply aware of culture than I am, |
| 0:08.0 | was able to ID from like 100 meters away. |
| 0:10.4 | It was an Easter. |
| 0:11.0 | A playbill for, oh, Mary, hanging over your shoulder on your bookshelf. |
| 0:14.8 | Talk to us about this play and how cruel it is for people to make, making such mockery of |
| 0:19.3 | Mary Todd Lincoln, our most tragic first |
| 0:21.5 | lady. I think it's a, it's a celebration of, no, it's not. It's a completely a historical |
| 0:27.6 | romp. This like reimagination of Mary Todd Lincoln as a former cabaret star who aspires |
| 0:35.7 | to take the stage again, who is a terror in almost every way, |
| 0:40.4 | an alcoholic, and also the funniest character I've ever seen on stage. It's really just the |
| 0:46.3 | funniest thing I've ever seen. It's written and originally starred a comedian named Colescola. |
| 0:52.3 | I feel like this should be my, it maybe was my object lesson at some |
| 0:55.1 | point, but yeah, I saw it, I saw it maybe six months ago before it won a Tony. And it was, |
| 1:01.8 | it was just incredible, just bat shit crazy, but amazing. See, this is what you get from like being |
| 1:07.8 | in this city. I have, is it, is it a musical? It's not a musical, right? No, it's a play. Okay. I like have reached the conclusion about this something that happened maybe in your 40s where you're like confident that you're like, yeah, I have kids. I can finally admit things to myself that I thought were too emasculated admit earlier. I discovered I really like musicals and musical theater in a way that I was like, huh, I never thought this was part of my identity. So now I'm like actively kind of watching around. I saw Hamilton. I saw a book of Mormon. I always liked Lay-Lay-Miz and a couple other things that are like, I've always been. I was always like, that's about history. I'm a history nerd. No, I think I just like musical theater. And so now I'm like on the hunt for like, you know, cool, funny musical opportunities that come to my way, which in DC are rare |
| 1:49.3 | than New York, sadly. You know who else likes musicals? Particularly Les Mis. Donald Trump. |
| 1:56.6 | I know. Well, I was like, maybe this is the silver lining to the Kennedy Center takeover. |
| 2:01.7 | Is that a more musical theater? |
| 2:04.6 | I would have a good reach of already. |
| 2:06.5 | I don't know if it's going to go my way, though. |
| 2:08.5 | It was so funny over the weekend when everyone got into this. |
| 2:12.9 | At first, I thought everyone was joking about the, is Donald Trump still alive thing. And then I |
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