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Hard Fork

The Trump-Musk Fallout + A DOGE Coder Speaks + ChefGPT

Hard Fork

The New York Times

Technology

4.55.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

“We're having a broligarchy blowup of the highest order.”

Transcript

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0:00.0

Well, Casey, I don't know if you know this, but today is my birthday.

0:04.1

I did know that. Happy birthday, Kevin. Thank you. And what better way to celebrate than by making a podcast?

0:09.8

It's true. Today, I am 38, or as they call it in Silicon Valley, a senior citizen.

0:16.9

And what does it like to sort of be entering your sunset years? Do you haven't put away for retirement yet?

0:22.4

I have actually been rebalancing my 401K, which is a very 38-year-old coded activity.

0:27.9

It really is. I was trying to consider what to get you for your birthday, and I thought, well, you know, why not ask the chatbots if they have any good ideas? So I just said, hey, my friend is obsessed with AI.

0:38.7

Like, do you have any gifts that might be funny?

0:40.8

And it gave me a lot of things, I would say, that were not funny.

0:44.2

But one suggestion it did give me was I would hand you a book.

0:50.1

And on the cover of the book, it would say, to do after AGI, and then you would open it,

0:56.7

and it was just a blank notebook.

0:58.9

I thought that's actually pretty good.

1:00.5

That's pretty good.

1:01.2

So did you do that for me?

1:02.5

No, it was very expensive.

1:04.1

Very expensive.

1:05.3

I thought, no thanks.

1:06.9

Okay, well, it's the thought that counts.

1:08.0

Well, the nice thing about a podcast is you can just say it. It's as if it were real.

1:10.9

You know what I mean?

1:11.8

So, here, pretend you're handing it to me.

1:13.0

Yeah, enjoy it.

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