This is actually turning into one of the greatest presidential scandals in the U.S. history.

That it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein.

What? How could you possibly justify it?

But I want to talk about her actual defense, because honestly, I think it's pretty strong.

Okay. it's pretty strong. Hello and welcome to opening arguments.

This is episode 1176.

I'm your host, Thomas Smith Plus virus, that I thought I was over.

I feel like I'm over.

I'm right on the cusp of, but just can't quite clear from my throat.

Anyway, hopefully it's not too annoying. And that over there is Matt Cameron, real-life attorney. Unclear how many viruses he brings? How are you doing, Matt? Zero viruses, but I do want to wish you an early happy birthday. Oh, thank you. Because I saw a sentiment that made me think of that. Let me just, I didn't have time to write anything, so I just found something here. Anigma's never age. That's a nice thought. A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday and may every day be another wonderful secret. Did you sign any pubs for me? Yeah, I just stole that from Donald Trump. Crazy. I can't wait to talk about this stuff because this is surreal. We're going to talk a lot about Epstein and Maxwell and everything going on. Matt, am I crazy? I feel like the guy in a movie that I'm not sure how many people saw that wakes up after a car crash and the Beatles never existed. Have you seen that one? It was actually. It was a great movie, actually. Yeah, I kind of like that. It was such a big time of the beetles it was fun i feel like that

like we know all this is the weirdest thing it's wild it's like seeing the internet talking about

game of thrones right now right they're like oh my god can you believe the red wedding you're like yeah

yeah no i that was we knew all this is all it. I'm glad. I've been having it too.

Headline after headline. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know. We know. Yeah. We've known this the whole time. But I will say, there's a bunch of stuff I didn't know. And the legal stuff on this is developing quickly. And I didn't know anything about Galane Maxwell's appeal to the Supreme Court, which is super interesting. Well, and the thing is, I really think what might be happening is it is actually breaking through to...

Yes. Wells appeal to the Supreme Court, which is super interesting. Well, and the thing is, I really think what might be happening is it is actually breaking through to certain people's news that it never did. And so that's like made it news again. It's like the Game of Thrones series became available in a new market. And so it's like, okay, I guess, I'm glad you're watching it now. I don't know. And it seems to be it seems to be the one issue that does seem to get through to Manga. Like, people are getting really angry. There's a real civil war developing. So I think it's worth going deep on this. If there's anybody you know that might be persuaded that Donald Trump is actually a bad guy, it turns out. I don't know how many different ways we can say it. But, yeah. Breaking news, an article that was written in 2017 that you're just now, they just like crossed out the date. Yeah, no, absolutely. It's amazing. I'm losing it. Okay. I'm excited, though, to get the Matt O.A breakdown of it because there's a lot going on that people don't know about. Yeah, I'm going to make the case actually that this is, and I know there's so much going on, but this is actually turning into one of the greatest presidential scandals in

U.S. history, actually, even more than I think I realized before I started looking into what's actually

going on here. So, plenty of talk about there, and then we've got a fun footnote involving one of our

favorite MAGA influencers and the president of France. Oh, good times. You got it. All right, well, I'm excited for all that. We'll take our usual break, which you can avoid Patreon.com slash law. Support the show. Support stuff like this. Support cold medicine. I don't know. Whatever. After this break, we'll get to it. Well, I think that I hope by now, everybody knows who Jeffrey Epstein was. I don't think we have to really start there, but just to be clear, of course, he was a very well-known wealthiest child sex trafficker who got into certain circles. And there were, at least at this point, it looks like over a thousand victims, most of them will never be known and should not be known to the public. So I just, of course, basic trigger warning that we'll be talking about child sex trafficking and some pretty unpleasant stuff. We're mostly going to be touching in the legal issues around this. But I do want to start with the Trump-Ebstein relationship very quickly because that is not in dispute. It's never been in dispute. As you said, it's something that many of us have known for a long time. But there's a tape. The auto is not quite good enough to play, but we can link to it with

journalist Michael Wolfe, where Jeffrey Epstein just straight up says that he was Donald Trump's

closest friend for 10 years. So let's start there. I love it too, because all this stuff is,

it's so crystal clear. There's no, there's no explaining it away. Like you or I aren't at risk of the world's worst child sex predator traffic or ever saying that he was our best friend for 10 years. There's not a thing that like just accidentally happens to people. Yeah. And nothing we're going to say in this podcast is going to get us sued because we've got the receipts. So, yeah. Let's start with hear from the man himself. We've got Jeffrey Epstein in a deposition.

I'd never actually heard his voice before, but describing certain activities with Trump and his refusal

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