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Astonishing Legends

The True Story Behind the Exorcist Part 3

Astonishing Legends

Scott Philbrook

History, Society & Culture

4.69.8K Ratings

🗓️ 15 November 2021

⏱️ 191 minutes

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Summary

Now that we've heard the shocking details of Ronnie Hunkeler's exorcism, we're once again left to wonder at what point does a logical, scientific explanation become inadequate in accounting for all the extreme events that occurred? Looking objectively at Ronnie's behavior before, during, and after the exorcisms, those who favor a psychiatric or medical diagnosis could explain them as the result of an ailment like Obsessive-compulsive disorder, Dissociative identity disorder, or perhaps Anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis along with comorbidities. For those who believe in supernatural possibilities, then a spiritual force of possession could explain the incredible actions, or maybe one in conjunction with a medical condition; for them, the two are not mutually exclusive. Yet mental illness or a brain abnormality only goes so far in explaining Ronnie's lifetime of conduct. While he may have had a difficult childhood with an overbearing mother and grandmother, there are no indications that he suffered any ongoing abuse severe enough to bring about PTSD that is often the gateway to the mental illnesses mentioned above. After Ronnie's time with the priests and the rites, it seems he went on to lead a disorder-free life with a successful career. Our current understanding of psychology states that these conditions don't go away on their own and are only manageable by the patient through ongoing behavioral therapy and medication. And if the eye-witness testimony is correct, then psychological diagnoses can't begin to account for the poltergeist activity experienced leading up to and during the exorcisms. In the end, whatever horrors that terrorized Ronnie and those around him in 1949 seemed to leave him once and for all, but they may not have left every place he experienced them. In our final chapter on this series, we'll hear from our friend, popular St. Louis radio talk show host Dave Glover. In 2008, Dave and his crew staged a contest for one of their Halloween Specials. Three listeners won the chance to see if they could sit alone for an hour in the bedroom where Ronnie's exorcism began, in the former home of Ronnie's aunt and uncle, Doris and Leonard Hunkeler, on Roanoke Drive in Bel Nor, Missouri. null of them made it past a few minutes. Whether from overactive imaginations or a lingering presence of evil, either explanation for the primal fear and torment one feels matters as little to the person at that moment as it does to the Devil himself. Neither he nor your senses care what you believe.

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0:00.0

Astonishing Legends is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis,

0:09.0

or treatment.

0:10.0

Always seek the advice of your physician or the qualified health provider with any questions

0:13.2

you may have regarding a medical condition.

0:15.0

Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something

0:18.2

you have heard on this podcast.

0:22.9

A few weeks ago, just before Halloween, an article in the Guardian by Dahlia Alberg was

0:28.2

making the rounds online.

0:30.6

It was connected to a new book called The First Ghosts, written by Irving Fingle.

0:35.7

The article featured a picture from a Babylonian clay tablet in the book, considered one of

0:40.1

the first images of a ghost.

0:42.8

It states that the picture depicts a lonely bearded spirit being led into the afterlife

0:47.9

and eternal bliss by a lover.

0:50.8

Researchers say it's around 3500 years old.

0:56.4

When you hear Ronnie Hunkler's story, you can't help but wonder if you believe any of this

1:00.9

at all about how old any given ghost might be, especially a spirit that maybe was never

1:08.2

human.

1:09.2

It's hard to know what types of entities might be at play in legends like these, but what

1:14.1

if they're older than we ever imagined?

1:17.4

Thousands, or maybe tens of thousands of years old, or more?

1:22.4

What if they predate humanity entirely?

1:26.1

Of course, there are those among you who will say there are no ghosts, and there's no such

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