The Trial Of Lori Vallow Daybell Day 4 Part 3
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🗓️ 11 April 2025
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
You’ll hear every word of the gripping testimony as Lori’s own brother, Adam Cox, takes the stand and describes a failed intervention plan with Charles Vallow just one day before Charles was killed. Adam details Lori’s disturbing beliefs—including claims of divine transformation and labeling Charles a “zombie” possessed by a dark spirit named “Ned.”
You’ll also hear from Kay Woodcock, Charles’s sister, as she delivers a heartbreaking account of how she learned of her brother’s death via a vague text from Lori, and how Lori sent Charles’s ashes in a FedEx box—along with “some crap,” as Kay put it. Her pain, anger, and shock are all there, in real time.
And through it all, you’ll hear Lori herself—calm, controlled, representing herself, cross-examining her own family, and showing little to no emotion as her beliefs, her behavior, and her potential motives are laid bare.
This is the complete courtroom audio from April 10, 2025—no edits, no filters, just the raw reality of one of the most bizarre and disturbing murder trials in modern history.
Listen now to hear the truth unfold in real time.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to live courtroom coverage of the trial of Lori Vallow Daybell from the Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom. |
| 0:12.4 | I'm right up here and be sworn in. Just stand here. |
| 0:16.0 | Can you spell your name for your name is William McDonald, W-I-L-L-L-I-A-A-N. |
| 0:21.6 | McDonald, MCD, O-N-A-L-E. Thank you. |
| 0:25.6 | For here and have a seat to my left. |
| 0:31.6 | Do you please introduce yourself to the jury? |
| 0:39.0 | Hi, good afternoon. My name is William MacDonald. I am a retired police officer with the |
| 0:43.6 | city of Chandler. What are you currently doing? I am currently teaching criminal justice at Williamsfield |
| 0:48.9 | High School in Gilbert, Arizona. So you told us you previously worked for the Chandler Police Department. How long were you with |
| 0:55.6 | them? I was with the Chandler Police Department for approximately 22 years. I'm sorry, 26 years. |
| 1:02.3 | Oh, that's a big difference. When did you retire? I retired in November of 2022. Okay. What can you tell us |
| 1:09.7 | what your different jobs were at the Chandler Police Department? |
| 1:14.1 | As with all officers with the Chandler Police Department, I started off in patrol. I worked a |
| 1:19.1 | patrol position for about 18 months, after which I switched over to more of a community services |
| 1:24.5 | team. I spent two years with that team, after which I transferred to detectives and spent the |
| 1:30.7 | remainder of my career in detectives working primarily Internet crimes against children |
| 1:35.5 | and digital forensics. |
| 1:37.3 | Can you talk to us about specifically your training and education relating to extractions of cell phones. |
| 1:49.0 | When it comes to cell phones, I have extensive training in the use of the software that we use to extract that data. |
| 1:55.0 | I am certified in the use of the CELBRIETS suite, which is one of the primary tools that we would use to extract data and |
| 2:01.6 | organize data extracted from the cell phones. I was also trained, although they did not have a |
| 2:07.1 | certification process and several other platforms used with cell phones. |
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