Don't wait until you're 80 to create experiences.

But the point I was going to make with that, one of the things he talks about, he's like,

it's important to think about getting the order right of your life.

Like cruising, I could do that when I'm 90 and I can't walk. But right now, I'm young. I want to go hike mountains. I want to do shit that's more active because this is the time of my life where it's going be harder to do in, you know, probably 70, 40, 50, 60, 70 years. So you need to think about

when it comes to travel experiences and what, what's on your bucket list, don't wait until you're 60 to start thinking I'm going to climb Kilimanjaro. Like that needs to happen in your 20s or 30s or maybe 40s for most people. That's what I call it experiential wealth. It's like having financial wealth, but in experiences, like living a rich life and experiences. To me, when you think about points and travel, what it actually is, it's the ability to create amazing memories with the people you love and look back over your life and be like, man, I made a lot of money, but I also don't have regrets about these relationships and these experiences. And that's, that to me is like fulfillment. So that's, that's big motive for me. Welcome to the rich drummer's report where

we talk real estate, business and wealth building all while keeping it real. No fluff, no BS. I hope that you

enjoy the show. All right guys, welcome to another episode of the report today. I got a good friend of mine in town and a repeat guest, someone who helps you turn points into your dream travel and luxury lifestyle. I got my man, Eli Fasenda, the travel guy. What's up, Eli? What's up, Rich? Good to be here again, man. Dude, I know, man. It's been a little bit, bro. 13 countries have been traveling to in the last seven months. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, been on a little bit of a travel

tear. It's been fun. Yeah, that's amazing, dude. And so much to dive into here. I want to provide

as much value to listeners as possible. But first things first, man, you just told me before he started

recording, news just broke two hours ago about a new way that you can actually gain points to apply to your

mortgages for real estate through credit cards. Talk about that. This is huge. It's literally

broke today. So built rewards. They're a platform that has a credit card, but they also have a

rewards ecosystem. Okay. Just announced that in 2026, you'll be able to earn points on mortgages.

This has never happened before. It's a brand new thing.

There's not a lot of details out yet, but it's going to enable you to essentially pay for your home or potentially, I don't know about investments yet, we'll see, and earn points for that. points for that. So that's a big game changer because that's most people's biggest expense.

Especially if you're an investor, if they open up that ability to earn points on multiple homes,

that's going to be a complete game changer for people to get way more free travel and epic life experiences from just paying for mortgages. So it's pretty killer. I know currently built will allow you to earn points on rent. Yes. I know with, I currently rent where I live. I'm a big fan of renting where you live. I live downtown. I never want to own a high-rise condo downtown. Probably the worst real estate investment you can, you can invest in. Well, I do live in downtown. I can walk to the office. But anyways, so through my portal where I pay rent, I know Bill has the reward system and you can earn points there, which is kind of cool. But you're saying now you can now earn points through mortgages. Yeah, exactly. That's going to start soon. And the move with rent is amazing, too.

That was a huge first step for that program to allow renters to earn points. And you can earn points on

rent even if you don't live in an apartment. That's a big misconception that a lot of people don't

know is that. What do you mean by that? Like if you rent a home and you have a landlord, you can actually pay with the built card

through the built portal, pay your landlord and still earn points from that too. You don't just have to be in a building. That's a part of what they call the built alliance. So there's basically an option for almost anyone in the states to earn points from rent. But if they double dip that into mortgages, like you're saying here, this is going to be just like gangbusters for everybody. So could I earn bill points for paying rent for our office space? Because we pay our landlord, right? I don't know about commercial leases. I know it's residential. I think it's more residential because the way that's their big positioning is they want to change the way that the renting and home buying process works. So that's more where their focus is. I don't think it's going to be for commercial. And at this point, like today, you can't do that. In the future, we'll see what they end up doing. This program is going to kill it. These guys that are leading it, it's Neveen Jane created this company Viom. It's his son, already like a billionaire family who's the CEO of this company and they're really changing the

game. So from a loyalty perspective and what's going to be possible for people, this company is

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