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The Trap of Being a “Good” Person

the goop podcast

Gwyneth Paltrow

Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Education

4.37.1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2020

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Dolly Chugh is a psychologist and professor at the Stern School of Business at NYU. She studies how—and why—most of us, however well-intended, are still prone to race and gender bias, as well as what she calls “bounded ethicality,” which are the systemic, unethical behaviors we engage in without awareness. For example, Chugh believes that being an ally isn’t about being a “good” person—and that our singular focus on goodness is a big part of the problem. Instead, she says, we should be constantly striving to be good-ish, i.e. someone who is always growing—that involves messing up, owning the mistake, learning from it, and trying again. Chugh brilliantly tackles this topic in her book The Person You Were Meant to Be. Today, she explains to host Elise Loehnen what we can and must do about it. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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or her career.

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0:51.8

Don't hold anything too tightly.

0:54.2

Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the intention of real truth for you, and then

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let it go.

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For me, our soul is like it's unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves.

1:10.2

When people stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming, we turn

1:16.4

to ourselves, and that's where you become empowered.

1:19.6

Courageous participation attracts positive things.

1:25.0

I'm Gwyneth Paltrow.

1:26.7

This is the Goop podcast, bringing together thought leaders, culture changers, creatives,

1:32.8

founders and CEOs, scientists, doctors, healers and seekers, here to start conversations,

1:39.9

because simply asking questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world.

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