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Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

The Tom Tugendhat One

Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

BBC

News, Politics

4.62.4K Ratings

🗓️ 20 April 2018

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

The soldier turned politician on talking to your enemies, surviving in the battlefield and taking responsibility when things go wrong.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is the BBC.

0:03.0

As I watched Theresa May and Amber rubbed the home secretary on the ropes this week,

0:08.0

I was taken back to a moment that I was asleep on a bed in a hotel just down the road, here in Westminster.

0:16.0

I've been up all night covering the local elections in 2006.

0:20.0

I later worked out that I've been asleep for precisely 11 minutes when the phone went to say the home secretary's quit.

0:28.0

He wants to drive home, he'll do one interview with you only, and he'll only do it if you're at the home office in 10 minutes.

0:38.0

Charles Clark had resigned.

0:41.0

The connection between that scandal then and this scandal, immigration policy, set by politicians, set by ministers,

0:49.0

but implemented by officials in a way that caused a crisis.

0:54.0

It is with deep regret that I'm today leaving the office of home secretary, in which it's been my great honour to serve for the past 16 months.

1:03.0

In this role, as in pretty good...

1:05.0

Charles Clark's successor as home secretary back then was Labour's John Reed, who invited me into the home office to film with him after just a few days in the job.

1:15.0

He wanted to prove that he'd got a grip, but off camera, he told me an extraordinary story,

1:22.0

a story that had made the very few hairs on his head stand up and mine too.

1:28.0

He'd made a surprise visit to the immigration office in Croyton.

1:33.0

He'd gone up to one woman sat behind a desk and he'd asked her what her job was.

1:38.0

When she explained that she was dealing with some incredibly sensitive area of immigration policy,

1:44.0

she boasted that she created a new filing system and she pointed to it.

1:49.0

It was a cardboard box.

1:51.0

She continued that when she'd arrived in the job, she'd found not just dozens but hundreds of files,

1:57.0

trapped behind filing cabinets and radiators, when nobody had found them.

2:02.0

Reed, seeing his career flash before his eyes, said in how long have you been in this job?

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