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The Times, They Aren't A Changin'

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.61.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 May 2024

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.politix.fm

This week, Matt and Brian break down the growing tension between Joe Biden and the New York Times and try to assess what impact it will have on the 2024 election and the deteriorating relationship between Democrats and mainstream media generally.

* Is Biden right to be frustrated with the way the national political media has covered the election so far?

* Should newspapers outsource editorial judgment to issue polls?

* What, beyond blinkering their coverage of politics, could mainstream news outlets do to increase their appeal among conservative consumers?

Then, behind the paywall, Brian and Matt take a more abstract look at the challenge facing non-partisan media in the Trump era. Should mainstream journalism outlets be tribunes for democracy, as part of their larger advocacy for the free press? Can institutions like the Times be openly pro-democracy without being openly engaged in an effort to help Joe Biden win the election? What would an incarnation of the Times that made an effort to address its critics look like? Answers to all those questions, plus the full Politix archive are available to paid subscribers—just upgrade your subscription and pipe full episodes directly to your favorite podcast app via your own private feed.

Further reading:

* Brian on whether outlets like the Times do such a bad job addressing well-developed liberal criticisms because they don’t have good answers.

* Ben Smith’s (widely criticized) interview with Times executive editor Joe Kahn.

* responds to their mischaracterization of his earlier Times critique.

Transcript

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0:00.0

If you're the president of the United States, whatever outlet you appear on becomes big, right?

0:06.3

And you want to appear on outlets that align with your view of what the stakes in the election are.

0:14.0

And like, make people pay attention to us,

0:18.0

make people pay attention to Mehdi Hassan,

0:21.0

make people pay attention to Chris Hayes.

0:23.7

Hey,

0:24.7

Hey everyone, you're listening to a free preview of the Politics Podcast. In this episode, Matt and I will

0:33.7

examine the the widening rift between Biden world and the New York Times and I

0:39.1

think it's really between Democrats and

0:45.0

a lot might turn on whether mainstream news outlets more generally.

0:47.0

I think we've reached a potentially significant inflection point

0:48.0

and a lot might turn on whether mainstream news is as receptive to good faith criticism from liberals as they

0:56.4

have been in the past to Ref working from the right. So I hope you enjoy the

1:01.7

conversation and if you want to hear the whole thing, you can

1:04.5

upgrade your subscription to paid at politics.fm.

1:08.6

Hey everyone, welcome to the politics podcast I'm Brian Boiler I'm Matthew

1:16.1

Iglesias so this week what's going on at the New York Times on and between

1:20.3

Joe Biden and the New York Times.

1:22.9

How much does it matter if the animosity between the two of them

1:27.4

lingers?

1:28.4

And who's actually right about the fight

1:30.8

that they're having?

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