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The Breakdown

The Three Layers of AI Agent Commerce with Jordan Liu | The Breakdown

The Breakdown

Blockworks

Business, Investing

4.8806 Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2026

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

x402 just got a lot bigger. The Linux Foundation is now backing it — and maybe Amazon, Google, Stripe, Mastercard, and American Express along with them. In this episode, David sits down with Jordan Liu, co-founder of AIsa — one of earliest builders in the x402 ecosystem, with over 20 million microtransactions already processed. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Introduction (01:42) What AISA Builds (02:55) X40 Goes Linux (07:30) Nexo Ad (08:07) Adoption and Micropayments (19:58) Nexo Ad and Blockworks IR Promo (21:38) Adoption and Micropayments (Con’t) (25:06) Protocols Roadblocks Future FOLLOW GUEST › Jordan Liu (AIsa) — https://x.com/AIsaOneHQ FOLLOW THE SHOW › David — https://x.com/dcanellis › The Breakdown — https://x.com/TheBreakdownBW SPONSORS › NEXO Nexo is the premier digital wealth platform. Receive interest on your crypto, borrow against it without selling, and trade a range of assets. Now available in the U.S with 30 days of exclusive privileges. Get started at http://nexo.com/breakdown - Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to the Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ DISCLAIMER As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice.

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0:00.0

Maybe in the next like 12 months, we probably see lots of autonomous agents become a real economic actors.

0:06.0

They can make a decision, make a purchase.

0:08.0

We are seeing agents actually paying resources to complete tasks.

0:14.0

So not just moving the tokens, not mentioned the stable coin, you know, the Mimcoin,

0:19.0

but paying for the models,

0:21.4

search API, data, and services. How are you going to sell to the AI agent? If you're

0:26.3

a merchant, if you're a sales service provider, you got to make your service or even like a website,

0:32.2

this kind of interaction layer, very agent friendly. Previously, every internet website designed

0:37.2

for human, you got a beautiful,

0:38.7

you know, picture, photos like, you know, headline to attract the user. But right now,

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1:09.7

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1:14.6

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1:17.6

Okay, welcome everybody to The Breakdown.

1:19.7

I'm your host, David Canellis.

1:21.5

Today we are chatting all things agented commerce, and our very special guest is actually building in that space. Jordan Liu co-founder of AISA, welcome to the show. Thank you very much, Davey. Thanks for having me. Hi, everyone. I'm a founder of AISA. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Maybe we could, I mean, I could probably try to explain what your platform's doing, but maybe you could just give a rundown of what ICE is doing

1:45.6

in the agent commerce space? Sure, definitely. Yeah. In a simple way, ISA is building the capability

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