The Three-Headed Beast Leading U.S. Foreign Policy
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4.5 • 6K Ratings
🗓️ 14 January 2019
⏱️ 16 minutes
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Summary
Slate’s Fred Kaplan explains how two different Trump advisers, Mike Pompeo and John Bolton, are trying to carry out U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.
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| 0:00.0 | For the last week or so, President Trump's foreign policy advisors have been ping-ponging |
| 0:09.0 | around the Middle East, meeting with leaders in Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia. |
| 0:14.1 | This isn't one road trip. It's two. National Security Advisor John Bolton is landing one place. |
| 0:20.6 | Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is landing in another. |
| 0:23.4 | You know, the point of all these kinds of trips, |
| 0:26.6 | to sort of shore up the allies, assure them that everything's okay, |
| 0:30.6 | that their interests are being taken into account, that we're pals. |
| 0:35.4 | Back here in the U.S., Fred Kaplan has been watching and listening to what these guys have to say. |
| 0:40.7 | He slates national security correspondent. |
| 0:43.3 | And he says there's this problem. |
| 0:45.6 | The idea is to clarify what policy is, but there is no clear policy. |
| 0:53.0 | Because this administration makes decisions on the fly, Trump's deputies are engaging in a form |
| 0:58.6 | of political improv, especially after the president decided to withdraw 2,000 U.S. troops from Syria |
| 1:04.8 | with the stroke of a tweet just before the holidays. |
| 1:08.5 | Well, I mean, the tweet reportedly originated with Trump on the phone with Erdogan, the president of Turkey. |
| 1:15.1 | Erdogan's motive is he wants to crush the Syrian Kurds whom we've been protecting. |
| 1:20.5 | And so Trump apparently says, you know, you're right. I'm out of here. It's yours. |
| 1:26.2 | And even Erdogan supposedly said, |
| 1:28.1 | well, wait, maybe not right away. Don't be too hasty about this. |
| 1:35.0 | So this trip over the last week, it's like the cleanup crew. Like I think of like a... |
| 1:40.7 | Well, here's the problem, though. What do they... The elephant keeps crapping on the circus floor. |
| 1:46.9 | So the cleanup crew, what are they cleaning up? |
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