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The Thing About Helen & Olga - Ep. 6: The Bottom Line

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Society & Culture, News, True Crime, Culture, Social

4.440.3K Ratings

🗓️ 9 February 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Fireworks and finger pointing in court as two little old ladies do whatever it takes to beat a murder rap. This episode was originally published on November 16, 2021, and updated on February 9, 2026.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It was a business venture.

0:05.0

A startup, really.

0:08.0

The kind of entrepreneurial enterprise that identifies an undervalued resource and exploits it.

0:15.0

Visionary almost.

0:17.0

In a wicked kind of way.

0:20.0

After all, the city of Los Angeles was awash in raw material.

0:24.6

Homeless men, down and out, living on the margins of society,

0:29.6

estranged from their families, isolated, and penniless.

0:33.6

Some consider them a blight on this shining city of stars by the sea.

0:39.7

But to Helen Goli and Olga Rudershman,

0:42.7

the homeless and dispossessed were walking, talking gold.

0:48.3

He signed for these policies, and we have the guy punished because of what he wanted. That's not right.

0:56.0

Now remember the bottom line.

0:58.0

It is so evil and so heartbreaking to think that anyone would decide that the purpose of homeless human beings is to make profit.

1:13.8

We're far more dead than alive.

1:15.9

It would seem so.

1:22.4

But only if no one paid too much attention to the life insurance paperwork.

1:28.2

Or gave the crumpled bleeding heaps and back alleys more than a passing glance.

1:34.5

In this episode, you'll hear from the lawyers who battled in court over the fate of two elderly women the media dubbed the Black Widows.

1:38.0

There is circumstantial evidence that the jury considered, but there's no direct evidence.

1:42.0

So we don't have a situation where we have somebody who said,

1:45.2

yes, I saw her do this. I've prosecuted all types of cases, serial murderers, gang murderers,

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