The Taylor Swift Playbook — Bold Moves, Loyal Fans, and Lasting Impact | Kevin Evers

Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais

Dr. Michael Gervais

Sport Psychology, Finding Mastery, Mental Health, Mindfulness, Business, Self Help, Michael Gervais, Health & Fitness, Mindset, Psychology, Self-improvement, Education

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🗓️ 28 May 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

What if one of the most powerful business minds of our time wasn’t a CEO or a founder—and instead, a singer-songwriter who’s been redefining her brand strategy since age 13?

Today, we’re diving into the business brilliance of Taylor Swift — and to help us do it, I’m joined by Kevin Evers, Senior Editor at Harvard Business Review and author of There's Nothing Like This: The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift.

I got to know Kevin because he was the editor of my most recent book, The First Rule of Mastery. He was fantastic and I fell in love with the way he thought and his deep knowledge and reference points of business. Kevin has spent years studying how great leaders express their ideas, and when he told me he was writing a book about Taylor Swift, I knew we had to have him on to discuss what she’s built.

This conversation is not about her songwriting or her latest mega-tour; it’s about how she built a billion-dollar brand using clarity, intense connection, and creative risk-taking. It’s about strategy, reinvention, and staying relentlessly close to what lights you up — even when that comes with severe risk.

As you listen, use the conversation as a way to reflect on your own relationship with reinvention. Are you playing it safe when boldness is what’s required? How do you stay connected to the core of who you are – stay connected to your purpose — even when external success might tempt you to stay small?

I hope you enjoy this week's awesome conversation with Kevin Evers.

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1:28.4	Taylor Swift is so persistent and she was so headstrong and she ended up breaking into a market
1:35.1	that no one else thought existed. And I don't think we'd be sitting here talking about
1:38.8	Taylor Swift today if she hadn't done that. What if one of the most powerful business minds
1:43.5	of our time wasn't a CEO or
1:45.7	founder? And instead, a singer-songwriter who's been redefining her brand strategy since the age of 13.
1:52.1	Welcome back. Or welcome to the Finding Mastery podcast, where we dive into the minds of the world's
1:57.3	greatest thinkers and doers. I am your host, Dr. Michael Jerva, by Trade and Training,
2:02.3	a high-performance psychologist. And today we're diving into the business brilliance of Taylor Swift.
2:07.2	And help us do that. I'm joined by Kevin Evers, senior editor at Harvard Business Review,
2:12.2	and author of There's Nothing Like This, The Strategic Genius of Taylor Swift.
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