The Taylor Frankie Paul of It All
Be There in Five
Kate Kennedy
4.9 • 7.2K Ratings
🗓️ 20 March 2026
⏱️ 120 minutes
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Summary
This week, Kate is breaking her hiatus for a special report recorded before Thursday's news that ABC was scrapping TFP's season of The Bachelorette. Ultimately, she decided this episode was still a relevant conversation to have, given that she and her guest (Sam Dalton, LCSW @sam.the.therapistt) talked through the systems and cycles that made this week's fallout unsurprising long before the video leaked. Together, they unpack the rose colored glass ceiling of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, where women perform rebellion without ever actually leaving the structures that constrain them. They discuss how ABC and Hulu built a cross-platform content pipeline on top of a woman's unresolved trauma, why the show's premise was always rooted in Taylor's reactivity, the pattern of Dakota's strategic sabotage, what it means when healing requires the opposite of what reality TV rewards, and the uncomfortable question of why so many of us, Kate included, glossed over a 2023 aggravated assault charge that was packaged as the starting point of a redemption arc.
Content note: this episode discusses domestic violence, child abuse allegations, and toxic relationship dynamics.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Kate Kennedy, the host to be there in five. Quick note before we get into this, |
| 0:05.1 | this episode was recorded on Tuesday, March 17. The intro was recorded early Thursday morning. |
| 0:10.6 | I had this episode in the queue to go out because I wanted it to kind of be some food for thought |
| 0:14.5 | prior to going into Taylor of Frankie Paul's season premiere of The Bachelorette on Sunday. But on |
| 0:19.4 | Thursday, TMZ published video footage from the |
| 0:21.3 | 2023 incident we bring up a lot in this episode that we had previously only known about through body camp footage from season one episode one of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and court records because she did ultimately plead guilty to an aggravated assault charge. |
| 0:33.9 | So we already knew that this incident occurred. We knew she pled guilty to it. And I had |
| 0:39.5 | seen the body cam footage from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives from outside their home. But this is the |
| 0:43.8 | video of what happened inside their home that led to the charge. So this is old news. And I don't say |
| 0:48.5 | that in a way to be dismissive. Rather, this is old news and that's a problem. And what's interesting about this |
| 0:55.1 | episode and why decided not to scrap it is, this is me realizing that it was always a problem, |
| 1:01.6 | that that was platformed and opened the entire series and that it was kind of glossed over |
| 1:06.8 | and metabolized in some sort of weird redemption arc for Taylor Frankie Paul, a person that should |
| 1:12.2 | have never been put on TV and a person who was even put on TV in the first place by her |
| 1:16.3 | reaction to a wound. That was a result of a private circumstance amongst a friend group that |
| 1:22.0 | she chose to make public as her response to it. While that launched a thousand careers, it also thrust her into a process |
| 1:29.3 | where her pain and trauma was endlessly monetized. And I'm not going to lie, like, I was |
| 1:35.0 | already feeling like, geez, I don't know why that was so glossed over back then. But then |
| 1:41.8 | seeing the video footage of this event that occurred in 2023, it's so |
| 1:44.8 | horrifying. The video is devastating. I cried. Like, it's as a mother, as a human being. It is, |
| 1:50.7 | like, it's horrifying and unconscionable that a child would ever be in this circumstance. |
| 1:55.4 | And that is what matters most, is rectifying that situation. And I also acknowledge the |
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