The "Tavern Style" Edition
Rational Security
The Lawfare Institute
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 30 April 2026
⏱️ 84 minutes
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Summary
This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Executive Editor Natalie Orpett and Contributing Editors Ariane Tabatabai and Joel Braunold, to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including:
- “The Art of the Heel.” As it approaches the 60-day mark, the war of Iran appears to have entered the “war of attrition” stage. The Strait of Hormuz remains closed by both Iran and the United States, as each side waits to see if the other will capitulate first. President Trump recently called off peace talks in Islamabad, in part because of purported internal disarray on the part of Iran—a perhaps unsurprising consequence of a two-month campaign of regime change. Meanwhile, the White House appears to have successfully pushed for and and then extended a ceasefire in the related theater of Lebanon, but it is already under strain from ongoing Israeli strikes and Hezbollah’s ensuing refusal to disarm. What should we make of this new equilibrium? And does it suggest that there is any way out of the current morass in the near future?
- “Royally Falked.” King Charles is in the United States this week for the first state visit by a British monarch since Queen Elizabeth in 2007. But the Trump administration’s latest round of antics toward the United Kingdom and other NATO allies may overshadow the trip. Over the weekend, Reuters reported that an internal Pentagon email suggested that the administration should explore withdrawing U.S. recognition of British control over the Falkland Islands and suspending Spain from NATO due to their refusal to join U.S.-Israeli combat operations against Iran. Other consequences may yet be in the offing. How seriously should we take these threats from the Pentagon? And how close are we to a permanent rupture in the United States’s preeminent alliance?
- “Ballroom Blitz.” On Saturday night, President Trump was the target of a third assassination attempt since the 2024 campaign. This time, a California teacher plotted to target Trump and his senior advisers at the annual White House Correspondents’ Association Dinner. In response, the administration quickly blamed Democrats for the heated, sometimes violent rhetoric they use in criticizing Trump and focused its attention on pressuring a federal court to end a civil case challenging the construction of the new White House ballroom, citing security concerns. What were some of our thoughts about this past weekend’s events?
In object lessons, Ari is taking control of the narrative with Split Fiction for the Switch 2. Natalie is taking herself out for a treat to Boulangerie Saint Georges near Eastern Market. Scott is taking a break from his own podcast to appreciate Iran: The Latest from The Telegraph. And Joel is taking a lesson from the NFL draft that may delight both sportsball and non-sportsball fans alike.
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| 0:00.0 | So this is a real deep dish cast, real, uh, bears, real fried ravioli? Is that St. Louis or Chicago? I think of both a little bit? No? I mean, Chicago has all cuisines, God. Well, I mean, also, you know, if you want to be really appropriate, tavern style, skull. I know, that's what everybody says. I'm still deep dish. |
| 0:21.4 | I'm not going to lie. |
| 0:22.3 | Lou Malnadi's still got it, still got it. You're the sort of person who goes to New York and thinks that, you know, the piece of place in time. Sabara. Yeah, Sabara is 100%. 100%. You know, what's the other one? Lou Mononani's another is the other one. What's the other big one? |
| 0:35.6 | Well, it's not Chiquads. |
| 0:37.5 | Pquads is really in the place to go. |
| 0:39.1 | Yeah. |
| 0:40.4 | Pquads is the other big one. Well, it's not, you know, Piquads. |
| 0:38.9 | Pequods is really in the place to go. |
| 0:40.6 | Yeah, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, Pequods is hard to get into, I recall. |
| 0:42.5 | No, no, Joel. Oh, come on. Malnadis. No, absolutely not. P-quods or by the way, Millie's Pizza in the Pan, |
| 0:51.1 | newcomer to the scene, very popular. |
| 0:53.1 | I haven't tried it yet. |
| 0:54.8 | Indeed. |
| 0:55.1 | Ari, I'm coming to visit you. |
| 0:57.1 | Surf me pizza. Millie's pizza in a pan, new comment to the scene. Very popular. I haven't tried it yet. |
| 0:54.8 | Indeed. Ari, I'm coming to visit you. Surf me pizza. |
| 0:58.7 | I know. This is a real, you are being suffused with just Chicago information now, none of which have the signature accent, which does make it very confusing and less credible to be clear. |
| 1:09.8 | But that's okay. If we were all talking like Mike Ditka, |
| 1:12.8 | this would really really come across a lot more of the credibility as to the best deep dish pizza. |
| 1:17.2 | But, you know, that's okay. How have you been preparing for Chicago? Are you watching the bear just |
| 1:21.8 | on loop? Are you all four seasons in? I have a map of Chicago that I'm gradually filling in with just restaurants and coffee shops and bars. |
| 1:31.1 | So Joel said you recommend. |
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